Chiappa is an interesting firearms manufacturer. They are located in Brescia, Italy, which is typically associated with manufacturing of over/under and side-by-side shotguns with manufacturing dating back 500 years. They have a wide portfolio of products catering to a wide array of clientele. From reproduction muzzle loaders to classic as well as modern lever action rifles to the famous Rhino revolver. They even produce 1911s as well as M4/ AR-15s chambered in .22LR rimfire cartridge. 

The company was originally founded in 1958 by Ezechiele (Oscar) Chiappa under the name Armi Sport. With limited budget, he first started working from the basement of his house producing firearms. The company continued to grow, and the Chiappa Group was created. They moved to the current facility in 2002, but they are constantly expanding. 

Oscar’s son, Rino, is now the CEO and president of the company. Rino’s wife, Suzanna, is the head of the export department and handles all of the export paperwork. Their daughter, Giada, is the CFO of Chiappa Firearms and the vice president of Chiappa USA. 

Giada grew up with the company, and she knows the complete production process inside and out. She took time out to act as my tour guide. Being the third generation of a family business, every employee including her must have passion to work. In fact, she started working for the family business when she was 12 years old (those were the days before labor laws were in place). She remembered riding her bicycle through the basement between the workshop machines and recalled the struggles of a small family business. 

With only 85 employees in the company, they have no union. As Giada explained, they treat every employee of the company with great respect. Every person has to do his part in order to succeed long term for the company. They are willing to hire new employees with little to no firearms background as long as they have a strong work ethic and are willing to learn. 

Compared to traditional gun makers located in the valley of Gardone Val Trompia in the North, Chiappa is located south of the city of Brescia in an industrial area along with manufacturers producing various automotive parts. 

Production 

We started the tour in the barrel production section. All the barrels are made in-house at the factory, and currently they are in the process of preparing to receive a new barrel drill and dimple machine from the U.S. in a few weeks. This is surprising as most small manufacturers simply outsource their barrels, but it is usually more difficult to control quality when it is not done in-house. 

They also have a metal injection molding (MIM) machine, making parts designed for rimfire pistols and rifles where the durability and strength from forged steel or aluminum is not required or too costly. Similar to plastic molding, the raw metal, such as stainless steel, is heated to 1400° Celsius (2552° F) then it is channeled into the mold cavities. Once cooled, the formed parts will be pushed out. Although the molds can be costly, it is offset by high-production volume. MIM is also a much quicker production method than CNC machining. 

On another section of the production area, it housed a very wide and tall machine designed to cut the beech wood furniture. Pieces of rectangular wood blocks are fed into it, and it does the majority of the cutting, including its almost final shape and cutting the areas for trigger housing and cavity for securing the stock to the receiver. This machine is not used by wood stock manufacturers, because it originally was designed for the furniture making industry. In fact, it is used by the famous Swedish furniture maker IKEA. 

The final sanding down of the stocks is still done manually with a drum sander. The stocks are transferred to a small room and have oil applied to them to reveal their true colors. They are polished at the end to get a great shine. 

One rather interesting point: They sell a lot of DIY assembly kits with unfinished wood stock to the U.S. market for the people who want to build their own gun, much like a hobbyist kit. 

For semiautomatic pistol slides, they have an automated robotic arm where the bar stocks are fed to the CNC machines and then get picked up by the arm to get polished. The whole process from raw material to finished slide is done with no human intervention. 

While the assembly of firearms is done mostly by men, each firearm is packed neatly into its packaging, then into cardboard boxes by mostly female workers. It’s apparent that every firearm is handled with love and care, even if the packing process is repetitive in nature. 

Throughout the production area, the workers employ a barcode system on each firearm that relates to its specification as well as production progress. Each employee also scans his or her employee card when beginning work at his or her station; management can track time spent per manufacturing step per firearm. This is beneficial as the company can identify if there are inefficient production processes and/ or employees, and once they are identified, they can then find a solution to the problem. 

Right next to the door that took me back to the office, there was a tall, large steel green door with a label “Shooting Range” in English which took us to the basement of the factory. Chiappa has a small 25m shooting range for test firing. Each firearm gets test-fired five rounds, and when the process is complete the computer automatically prints out the results. The shooting range computer also links up to the company server along with the barcode system so the company can pinpoint where the firearm is during assembly as well as during testing. 

All Chiappa shotguns, such as the three-barrel Triple Crown and Triple Threat 12-gauge break-action shotguns, are produced by Akkar in Turkey. 

Rhino 

The Rhino is one of the most recent and unique revolver designs of this past decade. The designer, Antonio Cudazzo, is an architect by profession, but he is passionate about firearms. He wanted a carry gun that has the reliability of a revolver yet be light, compact and have low recoil. He was close friends with Emilio Ghisoni, the designer of the infamous semiautomatic Mateba Autorevolver. 

Chambered in .357 Magnum as well as the more common 9mm cartridge, the Rhino features a short grip compared to traditional revolvers. It looks strange at first, but in reality, it provides good purchase to the shooter’s hand. 

Due to the purpose being concealed carry, the original Rhino features a 2-inch barrel. The Rhino’s unique design featuring the barrel at the bottom of the cylinder provides extremely low bore axis, reducing flip and recoil as the pistol goes straight back close to the middle of the hand instead of top of the hand. This was realized to be an advantage in competition shooting, and subsequent models feature 5-inch long barrels. The latest version, the Charging Rhino, features a 6-inch barrel with a black anodized finish in contrast to the nickel-plated trigger and cylinder along with a grey laminated grip. Due to its longer length, there are Picatinny rails at 12 o’clock and 6 o’clock that can accommodate red dots, lights and lasers. 

Chiappa had been playing with various types of PVD colors and finishes. Their latest idea is to create a Rhino in a chameleon, multi-color PVD finish called the Rhino Nebula. 

Due to its complex manufacturing, the factory currently produces 600 to 800 units a month, and there are 1,000 to 1,500 units on back order. 

“Hooray for Hollywood” 

This revolver is also getting popular on the silver screen. It is used in the latest “Fast & Furious” film, being carried and used by The Rock. It will also be in the upcoming “Terminator: Dark Fate” movie with Linda Hamilton reprising her role of Sarah Connor and Arnold coming back as the Terminator. Previously, it was in “Suicide Squad,” “Total Recall” (the 2012 remake) as well as in video games such as “Battlefield 4” and “Rainbow Six.” 

Chiappa has received numerous requests to produce an identical version of the Rhino as seen in comic book movie “Suicide Squad,” used by the iconic Harley Quinn character. Chiappa reached out to Warner Brothers for its permission and possible licensing agreement; however, the movie studio refused to have any collaboration with any firearms manufacturer. The movie armorer company that did the modification to the revolver had also signed an agreement with the studio not to reproduce these revolvers as they were strictly made for the film. 

CBR-9 Black Rhino 

I was fortunate enough to be one of the few lucky people to handle the prototype CBR-9 Black Rhino, which was recently unveiled at the 2019 IWA Outdoor Classics trade show in Nuremberg, Germany. The Black Rhino is a PDW (personal defense weapon) similar to the likes of the Heckler & Koch MP7 and FN P90. The Black Rhino is chambered in 9mm and feeds from a patent-pending, proprietary double-stack magazine that funnels the rounds to become a single stack for enhanced reliability instead of alternating the rounds left and right. It is extremely compact and is designed to be fired one-handed if the situation requires it. 

Like the Rhino revolver, it is a continuation of the same concept that offers extremely low bore axis in order to reduce felt recoil. This means the barrel is as close to the index finger as possible, and the action is situated above the barrel with the hammer flipped upside down. Giada tells me the prototype has been fired one-handed in full-auto with great accuracy, producing minimal recoil with little to no training. 

It’s designed by Antonio Cudazzo in collaboration with Tanfoglio, and the final design is completed by Chiappa engineers. As a joint project, the commercial semiautomatic version will be sold by Chiappa, and the military select-fire version will be marketed and sold by Tanfoglio. Both versions will be made by Chiappa due to its expertise in rifle production. 

It has a wide aluminum upper receiver with a polymer lower. It has a retractable stock that can be removed. For the American commercial market, it may come with a pistol brace instead, which is still being developed at the time of writing. It has a Picatinny rail on top, ready for optics, but it also comes with bright fiber optic iron sights that are flush-fit and integrated inside the top rail. Right at the shooter’s index finger is the ambidextrous bolt hold-open and release. The magazine release is positioned at the shooter’s thumb just like a semiautomatic pistol. The ambidextrous safety is high up near the top of the upper receiver and requires the shooter to push forward to disengage. The charging handle is at the foregrip and can be switched from the left to right hand with minimal tools. It also has a small, integrated vertical grip up front that can be folded down with a push of the button to unlock it, similar to the HK MP7. 

The gun is held together by push pins that come apart quite easily. It features a compensator as a muzzle device which can be unscrewed by pushing back a locking tab. 

Many would question the effectiveness of the 9mm round. In spite of that, the U.S. Army recently selected Brugger & Thomet’s APC9K 9mm submachine gun for their Personal Security Details. The CZ Scorpion Evo 3 is another SMG that was recently adopted by the Hungarian Defense Forces and Hungarian police, the Finland police and Czech Republic Armed Forces and police, amongst other military and police services in many countries. With budget constraints in many militaries as well as in police departments, the 9mm round may not be such a poor choice as it simplifies logistics instead of procuring a special round like the MP7’s 4.6mm or FN’s 5.7mm cartridges. 

Conclusion 

I have visited a good share of factories across the world, but Chiappa is certainly the most dynamic and adaptable company that sets itself apart and caters to several different clientele with rimfire pistols, revolvers, reenactment rifles to tactical rifles and shotguns. Chiappa continues to innovate with unique firearm designs and finds demand on the products that it produces. As a gun enthusiast, this author appreciates companies that think outside the box to create unique looking firearms that also have performance benefits. 

There will certainly be more Chiappa product placements on the silver screen near you. 

When it comes to discussing World War II history, particularly in the European theater, people often discuss the major European countries involved such as Germany, Britain, France and Italy. Neutral countries such as Switzerland and Sweden were often left out of history books, but they were very much involved in preparing for war in case they were to be attacked or invaded by Germany or Russia.

During my stay in Sweden I was advised by Håkan Spuhr, the founder of Spuhr optic mounts (see my factory visit on SADJ, Vol. 10, No. 2), that I should make a short trip to Djuramåsa, an area north of the coastal town of Hälsingborg, to visit Beredskapsmuseet—The Swedish Military Readiness Museum. During my initial research, Google Maps showed a small building in the middle of large, secluded farm lands. I thought to myself, what could possibly be that interesting in such a small facility? I was in for a big surprise.

The museum operating hours were cut short due to the early winter season in Sweden, but Johan Andrée, the museum chief, was kind enough to accommodate my travel schedule and have the museum opened just for me. While the museum was technically closed, there is a lot of work to be done, and there were a few volunteers present.

The main attraction is the 29-ton, 15.2cm (6-inch) heavy gun called “Maja.” There are a total of four heavy guns in Battery Hälsingborg—Maja, Asta, Sonja and Brita, each named after the most beautiful girls in Djuramåsa. They’re also the girls who lived closest to the guns. Maja has a range of 24km. With a crew of 9, it can be ready to fire in less than 5 minutes and has a rate of fire of 3 rounds a minute. The guns are operated manually, which means they have to be aimed, loaded and fired without any electronic motors. The four guns are manned by 56 men with 18 officers and NCOs.

My jaw must have dropped when I first saw Maja. It’s beautifully preserved behind a giant glass enclosure like a model car at a toy store except much larger. I had never seen a 29-ton coastal gun let alone anything like this before during my many museum visits in various countries.

Each projectile weights 46kg (101 pounds) with recoil force of 60 tons. During its first test fire, people were advised to move all their livestock away from the area and open all doors and windows to prevent damage. One resident forgot to move his 2 cows from a nearby farm; the pressure wave gave the cows heart attacks, and they died. In addition, all the windows broke at a nearby greenhouse.

Amongst the many interesting facts, the four heavy guns along with five machine gun bunkers, a control center or “Battle Command Center” and a bomb shelter took only 47 days to build with help from 2,000 people working non-stop around the clock. This is a feat that sounds rather difficult to achieve today let alone from 70 years ago.

The guns were originally built to both defend and attack coastal ships as well as the nearby country Denmark.

With a short walk, we arrived at an underground bunker called The Gun Hall. There it housed the largest known small arms collection in Sweden. The guns, ranging from rockets, water-cooled machine guns, Browning BAR, to P38 pistols are well-organized and hung behind large glass display walls. It was great to know that none of them is deactivated and all are in working condition. Do note, however, that this facility is well secured with multiple cameras and motion sensors as well as a bunker entrance the size of a bank vault door.

What is not displayed, however, are the stories of each gun when they were donated to the museum either by the original owner or deceased family member. Each of the stories are documented in the museum in thick binders. I was told by Johan that they have plans to expand The Gun Hall with small plaques next to each gun with a short description of how the guns were used and acquired.

It has been 20 years since the museum opened, but Johan is still enthusiastic when it comes to discussing every detail of every artifact in the museum. It was a childhood dream of his to open a World War II museum. He strongly believes showcasing these weapons in his museum, as each gun tells a unique story of the people that used them during war times. Unlike other European war museums, such as The Royal Danish Arsenal Museum in Copenhagen, where I was told they had the largest arms collection in Europe but were all hidden in their archives due to political correctness, the weapons represent part of history, and without them we will never be able to prevent the same tragedy of war from happening again.

If you ever find yourself in Sweden or Denmark, I would highly recommend you to visit this museum. The volunteer staff spoke perfect English, and guided tours can be arranged. This is one of the most unique museums I have personally seen. Needless to say it’s a true hidden gem, and I look forward to revisiting it again.

I want to thank Johan and his volunteer staff for their sincere dedication to the museum and for their time for providing me the guided tour.

The first things that typically come to mind when someone mentions the country of Sweden are IKEA and Volvo. What most people do not know is Sweden, a neutral country for both World Wars, has a long history of arms manufacturing dating back all the way to the mid-1300s. Bofors was a world renowned manufacturer of artillery and cannons dating back more than 350 years and was so famous there was even a British movie made in 1968 called “The Bofors Gun.” Saab is most known for its cars, but Saab Group—its aerospace and defence division—has a proven track record of producing military jets such as the famous Draken and Viggen and the current Gripen at their plant in Linköping. The Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle was first in use in 1948 and is still used by many countries today including United States and Canada. Saab’s Gotland-class, diesel-electric submarines were able to penetrate the US Navy Carrier Battle Group during wargame exercises and are recognized as one of the quietest submarines in use today. There’s no question that Sweden produces high quality, well-engineered goods for their own military as well as for militaries around the world.

This article, however, focuses on another Swedish invention—the modern red dot sight. I had the honor to be invited to visit Aimpoint in Malmö, Sweden for a factory tour. Upon my arrival to the facility, I noticed they hung not one, but two Canadian flags outside the building flying next to the Swedish flag as a warm welcome. That was certainly a nice surprise! At the building lobby, I was greeted by their President, Lennart Ljungfelt. Mr. Ljungfelt joined Aimpoint in 2003, and he previously spent 6 years working at Bofors, now part of Saab AB. He first came in contact with Aimpoint products when he was in the Swedish Army in the 80s.

The idea of a red dot sight was first conceived in 1974 by Helsingborg engineer John Arne Ingemund Ekstrand, who was an IPSC shooter who wanted to increase his shooting speed and accuracy. The story goes, while he was shaving one morning, he gazed into the concave shaving mirror and noticed that the reflection of a light on the wall behind him remained stationary when he moved his head. That is when the “light bulb” moment occurred. Ekstrand built a prototype sight using an empty cardboard paper roll, and he approached a few companies with the idea. One of these companies was run by a visionary entrepreneur named Gunnar Sandberg, and the Aimpoint company grew from this beginning.

At the time, except for some low production sights using the “Occluded eye concept,” red dot sights powered by an LED (light-emitting diode) did not exist. This was a new and innovative concept. In fact, red dot sights were actually not seen through so shooters were forced to shoot with both eyes open. The disadvantage of this design was having to fool your brain into superimposing images of both eyes into one, which caused headaches after prolonged use for certain people.

This brings us to the “Aimpoint aiming philosophy.” As per their research, most shooting engagements tend to occur between 0-650 yards and under low-light conditions. It’s only natural to use both eyes to aim, since, as humans, we do a majority of regular daily tasks with both eyes open.

Aimpoint claims their optics offer close to full-light transmission due to superior lens material and coating processes. The Micro T2 has 45 layers of coating on the lens elements, partly in order to offer night vision compatibility versus the Micro H2 which only has 4 layers. The color spectrum of their red dot is in 650 nano meter wavelength, providing deep red color that can be seen in all lighting conditions in various environments.

Sandberg Development Group

While Aimpoint was ahead of its time with its introduction of the Aimpoint Electronic sight in 1975, shooters did not fully trust this innovative product with its yet-to-mature technology. We have to keep it under context that in the 1970s, electronics in general were not reliable, and battery technology was not dependable. From 1975 to 1996 the company was not in good financial shape. Thankfully, it now operates under an umbrella called Sandberg Development Group. The group owns Camurus, a pharmaceutical company that specializes in lipid-based drug delivery, and Granuldisk, manufacturer of industrial pot washing machines. These companies provide support for one another to maintain long-term profitability. It’s unusual to have this type of diversity in a company portfolio; however, it does make one feel better that when buying an Aimpoint sight, you could possibly support medical research.

In 1996, the US Army awarded Aimpoint with the world’s first military contract for 100,000 units of their CompM red dot sights. The sights were tested for 3 years prior to the decision, and it was based on the ruggedized version of the Comp model. From then on, they continued to supply their optics to the Swedish, Italian, Danish, and Finnish Army as well as the US Air Force and US SOCOM.

Under request of the Swedish Army, Aimpoint produced 55,000 units of the special-made CS red dot sight from a 2004 military contract. It is based on the Comp model but has a rubberized housing and a Picatinny rail on top. The battery is sealed within the unit and is not removable by the user. With a 10-year, constant-on battery life, this has never proven to be a problem.

Today, Aimpoint has approximately 260 employees and has produced well over 3 million sights to date. There are over 200,000 T1 and 100,000 T2 sights currently in use. The facility is ISO 9001 certified and soon to be certified with ISO 9001:2015. They also have a smaller production facility in Gällivare, Sweden located above the Arctic Circle in northern Sweden that is dedicated to producing sights for military contracts.

Production Floor

The building consists of main office and production area. The tour begins in the receiving area, where the external housing, inner tube, lenses, etc. arrive in boxes from various external suppliers that are each labeled with a unique batch number. The first step is to check for quality by randomly selecting components from each shipment. The technicians measure the dimensions with a laser probe to ensure it is within its required tolerance. Batches that meet the company strict standards will have a green label which is a pass. Components with questionable quality will have a yellow label which means the batch will go through further inspections. Boxes with a red label will be returned to the supplier. Even though Aimpoint chooses the best suppliers from the industry, it is not surprising to see the amount of boxes with yellow and red labels on them.

While on the topic of quality, Aimpoint maintains an astonishingly low return rate of 1% for all their sights produced to date, including sights that were made well over 40 years ago! The number of actual failure is even less, mainly due to customers returning their Micro red dots with loose battery caps which cause the red dot to flicker and/or turn off during use. It can easily be solved by tightening the cap and is not an actual manufacturing defect or failure. This is the most frequent warranty issue for them, even though they try to educate and inform their dealers as well as customers. All Aimpoint sights carry a 2-year warranty, but this author is certain it is a rare occurrence to return the sight due to a defect.

It was also interesting to hear their customer support receives a lot of complaint that the front lens of their sight is tilted. In reality this is not a manufacturing defect as the front lens has to be tilted at an angle in order for the LED mounted offset from the center to reflect back to the shooter’s eye. It’s simple physics that people often forget.

After inspection, the components then go into rapid, vertical automated storage called the Tornado. All the technician has to do is key in the part number and quantity into the computer, and the parts will automatically be retrieved from the shelf to the technician’s hands. This saves time from searching for the correct part; additionally it keeps the parts inventory to 99.99% accuracy.

Once the components are picked from the warehouse, they get put through an air lock in batches of 20 pieces at a time. The production area is air sealed with positive air pressure designed to push out any dust and small particles in the air. Anyone who enters must gown up and wear hair nets. In addition, technicians must wear anti-static wrist bands as even a minor static charge can damage the diode during assembly. Thankfully, the production area can be seen from the outside as it is visible behind glass.

Before the components get assembled, they all have to go through an ultrasonic cleaning process. Each lens then gets checked against a black background to ensure there is no dust on the element. Once the lens is glued to the inner tube, the tube is then put into the UV oven to cure. UV glue is used due to it being able to withstand a wide range of temperatures. Once the circuit boards are installed and cables soldered in place, the diode will get calibrated to the center of the lens, ensuring that it is parallax-free.

Production operates on two shifts, one in the early morning and one in the afternoon.

All sights get tested to meet their water-resistant rating. Similar to testing dive watches, they use a pressure chamber filled with air instead of water to do this test. Each sight has a “birth certificate” containing all steps of manufacturing, and each step is check-marked once completed to ensure perfect tracking.

The floors are painted pure white, and it’s basically spotless. I felt like entering a medical lab rather than a normal production facility. It’s also notable that every step of the assembly process is done manually. There is no automation, and technicians must go through 6 months of training before they are fully qualified to do their jobs.

I had lunch at their large cafeteria which was well lit with natural light coming from the high ceiling windows with a view of the front lawn. You can tell the company cares for its employees as they also have a large exercise room and an in-house chiropractor due to the increased likelihood of technicians getting sore backs from sitting in their chairs for prolonged periods. Every well-run company understands the better the employees feel coming to work the less errors they make on their jobs.

In the shipping area, there were dozens of skids with shipping labels on them destined to the United States. They are for the US Army contract of 30,000 M68 Close Combat Optics awarded in March 2017.

New CompM5

Aimpoint’s latest product, the CompM5 was officially announced earlier this year at the DSEI defense trade show in London, UK. It uses a single alkaline AAA battery that provides up to 50,000 hours or over 5 years of battery life. With a 2 MOA dot, it has the durability of the bigger CompM4 in a size and weight closer to the Micro T2 with an improved waterproof rating of 150 feet. It is also the first Aimpoint sight made of machined 7075-T6 aluminum. These sights were made under request for a US federal agency to use in countries it operates in, where AAA batteries are more commonly found. They have been in production for over a year, and photos of this sight were first leaked online from an official US Department of State photo, much to the company’s surprise. I was assured this is the best sight the company makes, superseding the Micro T2.

Future Products and Development

When it comes to the topic of future products and product development in general, Mr. Ljungfelt was reluctant to share information on any upcoming products. He assured me that the company continuously researches new technologies and seeks improvements on their current line of sights. This is understandable as the company is facing intense competition now more than ever from manufacturers in Western and Eastern countries. For instance, American company Trijicon released the MRO (Miniature Rifle Optic) back in 2015 to match, both in size and features, the Aimpoint Micro line of sights. Holosun from China has also made a name in the industry for producing quality sights at a fraction of the cost, which is catered to those who simply do not wish to spend on an optic that costs as much as the rifle itself and who only intend to use the rifle at the local shooting range. Aimpoint is also vigilant on counterfeits from overseas, with the most recent court case won in July 2017 against the owner of several airsoft stores in Spain. He was jailed for 6 months and paid thousands of dollars in fines.

With user request for a smaller red dot for mounting on pistols, Aimpoint currently produces the Nano red dot that is included with the B&T USW machine pistol. Unfortunately, Mr. Ljungfelt said the company has no plan to offer it as a separate product at this point in time.

Virtual Reality

I was taken to a room which has infrared sensors on two corners with a small table that had a laptop computer. First showcased at the NRA Annual Meeting in April 2017 with great positive feedback, Aimpoint has created a tailor-made virtual reality shooting simulator designed for training hunters, competition shooters, law enforcement and military personnel. The shooter wears a virtual reality headset and holds a rifle stock that has a sensor in the middle. He or she is able to immerse himself or herself in any environment such as wild boar hunting, duck hunting, an IPSC stage or military/law enforcement training scenarios. The program was originally conceived from an idea that they need to design a product demo for their website. I was a bit skeptical at first, but the program has proven to be very effective in demonstrating the use of red dot sights in point and shoot scenarios, where aiming speed and fast tracking on moving objects are critical. In addition to giving you a score, the program also analyzes your response time and other metrics that are arguably more effective than real-life training.

Conclusion

There is little doubt that Aimpoint is the only choice for those who want to buy the best of the best. They are simply the most rugged sights made for the police, military, hunters and sport shooters. With over 40 years of experience, one has to assume Aimpoint has tested every single new “bells and whistles” feature found in competitors’ sights, such as auto-brightness level and solar-powered solutions. These features simply do not withstand the rugged testing the company sets for law enforcement and military applications. When and if they are ready to be implemented, we will certainly see them on upcoming Aimpoint products.