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					<description><![CDATA[Last week on SAR.com, we had the first part of the Interview with Henk Visser. We broke off the conversation with Henk as he started the discussion about the Stoner 63 system and his involvement with the rifle grenade projects. SAR: You were now out of the picture with CETME as well as the new [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="has-text-align-left" style="font-size:14px"><br><strong><em>Last week on <a href="https://smallarmsreview.com/?p=4180" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">SAR.com</a>, we had the first part of the Interview with Henk Visser. We broke off the conversation with Henk as he started the discussion about the Stoner 63 system and his involvement with the rifle grenade projects.</em></strong><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong><em> You were now out of the picture with CETME as well as the new Heckler &amp; Koch&#8230;..</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Out of the business picture yes, but I still had many contacts. I had contacted Gene Stoner in America, and we became good friends. This was in 1962 I believe. I told him everything that happened in Europe. There was a sales director named Paul Van Hee from Cadillac Gage; the company that had paid for the development of the Stoner Rifle in Newport Beach, California. Nothing could be done without Cadillac Gage over in Detroit being involved. I went there, and in the end I managed to make the right contacts. Around that time, I sold NWM in Holland to a German group, the Quandt Group, that was Mauser, BMW, Mercedes, Nico Pyrotechnik, etc.; the whole thing. I became the director for their military business. They also had a product that was barbed wire with razor wire on it and the wire is steel based. If a tank runs into this concertina, it wraps around the tracks. The Americans were very interested in it because this razor wire &#8211; you really don&#8217;t want to touch it. Cadillac Gage got the contract to make that wire in the States, and we got the rights for the Stoner rifle system in the whole world outside of America and Canada. Gene was a genius in designing these guns; a brilliant technician. There were things we wanted to change; you had the gun, and you&#8217;d shoot it, and your fingers would hurt afterwards. It was somewhat complicated to change parts and the cocking handle on the MG could only be used from the right side.&nbsp;</p>


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<p><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>When you say the cocking handle is wrong, what do you mean?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;In the end we made it underneath, so that the left or right handed person could use it easily. Anyway, Gene got interested in other things, and I hired Hans Sturtz, a German who worked for Gene Stoner. He was fantastic at making things&#8230;.he worked for us in Holland, and we changed the Stoner rifle in various ways, small things, but important, like a good folding stock &#8211; one that locks. We made a good bipod too, a sturdy bipod, one that locks on the gun. I kept all of the documentation about what we did. We made a barrel with flutes, a thicker barrel, and we arranged for the sling swivels on the right place.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>This is the Stoner 63 we are discussing? Let me go get some examples from the vault. (Dan gets some Stoner 63 and 63As to put on the table for Henk to point out things.)</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Actually the 63A but improved. We did several things for the 63A. This was now the 63A1 when we were done with it. As I said, we improved the bipod and made it mount on the rifle, which was my idea. In the beginning, Gene Stoner didn&#8217;t have a flash hider with the right dimensions for the international rifle grenade launching requirements. The original CETME was even missing that by design. They just had a barrel sticking out making a hell of a flash, and noise. I designed the flashhider for the CETME (G3). We changed the Stoner 63A to be able to fire Rifle Launched Grenades (RLG), a very important feature even today in many armies. We changed location of the charging handle, the bipod, the stock, and many other minor changes.</p>


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<p><strong>SAR (Dolf):</strong> <em>Henk, I thought that originally you were involved with the AR-10, with the 7.62 Stoner rifle?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;No, Dolf, I have heard this before but I had nothing to do with that. The AR-10 was our competitor, the government plant Artillerie Inrichtingen (AI) at Hembrug, in Holland. They got so upset that we had the Stoner 63A license &#8211; first we had the CETME rifle then the Stoner &#8211; that when the Director of AI read in TIME Magazine about this lightweight rifle from ArmaLite, he and his secretary got on a plane and flew to Costa Mesa to make a deal on the AR-10. He was not liked by the Dutch generals because of the way he treated them. In reality, the AR-10 was a fantastic rifle for 7.62 NATO. Director Jungeling invited all the top generals to his plant and they were getting coffee and cake, and while they were eating he reached next to his chair and holds up an AR-10 and announces, &#8220;Gentlemen, this is your new rifle! This will be the future!&#8221; Those generals decided at that moment in their minds that nobody was going to adopt the AR-10. They didn&#8217;t want to be told by a civilian what would be the new Army rifle. He killed it with that. It&#8217;s a very sad story because it was a good rifle. They wanted to do their own testing and make their own decision and like most generals, they do not like anyone telling them what they will have for weapons.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>You had the rights to the Stoner 63 outside of the United States?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Outside of United States and Canada. We had a very optimistic view of our opportunities because we and Cadillac Gage thought that the US Marines would adopt the system. We took the Stoner Rifle to Ecuador, Chile, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany and, Israel. I went everywhere. We spent millions, and I told the top people in my company, &#8220;This is it. This is what the soldiers want.&#8221; I never told the customers that &#8211; I simply showed them the quality and let them test the rifle. Standardization, a cheap machine gun&#8230;the main parts are all the same. Maybe I overdid it a little bit at times. We had the Inspector General of all of the forces in Holland and his Royal Highness Prince Bernard; he had seen it and liked it, and he tried to push it in NATO. Again, I think maybe there was too much support in this way, these guys all wanted to do it themselves and make their own decisions. I was instrumental in the standardization of the rifle grenades as well. Because of me, all of the rifles have the flash hider with the 22mm diameter. I was close with MECAR in Belgium, and we developed a whole series of rifle grenades, including a new small hollow charge which would puncture a 5cm hole in a steel plate at 160 meters.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong><em>&nbsp;So this was a shaped charge system. What was the launching platform &#8211; bullet trap, bullet through or launching blank?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;It was a special blank cartridge at the beginning. We had, even for the Stoner, a short magazine that was colored green that could be loaded with this gas cartridge, so that there would be no mistake of putting a live cartridge in the gun.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong><em>&nbsp;Did you get any sales of the Stoner 63A1 in the countries you just mentioned?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;The biggest thing was that the United States Marines were going to adopt it. I was at Quantico almost weekly, and they wanted these, so after the first lots of prototypes they ordered 3,000 or so from Cadillac Gage and shipped the Stoners to Vietnam. They wanted a live combat environment to test them. The Stoner was very successful and the Marines liked it. Then the U.S. Army stepped in and said, &#8220;No. We will all have the same weapons. You take the M16.&#8221; The Marines got mad, and talked about bent barrels and this and that, and the cocking handle they did not like and the rifles needed a heavier barrel, etc. We were offering this gun that we demonstrated as the future U.S. Marine weapon. We really pushed that, you know? Because who was this tiny little company in Holland, and Cadillac Gage was not known either: they made a few armored cars. Nothing to show manufacturing ability with small arms, but the Marines with Stoners, that was another story and it was our sales pitch to our customers.<br><br>Gene Stoner was very bitter about many of the issues that occurred then. In the Stoner 63 rifle he had tried to fix what he saw as the problems in the M16, which was also his design originally.<br><br>The big blow was when the decision came that the U.S. Marines were not going to take the Stoner system. This made it difficult for us, because the people we were trying to sell it to thought something must be defective with the guns since the U.S. was not adopting it. I had sold 12 to Singapore after a demonstration and sold some to Thailand, Japan and South Korea. We were a nice company, we didn&#8217;t bribe anybody. The same in the Philippines. I still remember the offer for the Philippines. We had trained them so that they could work on the guns themselves. It was a $35 million deal. Then Colt got in and they got the order instead for $58 million. Their agent had better &#8220;contacts&#8221; &#8211; almost $20 million extra above what our program was. I was with the top man there, the commissioner, and if I had said that we could raise it to $55 million or whatever, we would have had that deal. But that would have never occurred to me. The same thing happened on the deal in South Korea.<br><br>The Stoner is an excellent weapon, and the only complaint I ever had was that if the soldiers have the rifle, and then they give the company armorer some cigarettes or something, they&#8217;ll quickly have a belt-fed and a heavier barrel, and before you know it everyone in the whole group has a machine gun.&nbsp;<em>(Visser laughs.)</em></p>


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<p><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>That&#8217;s a complaint? If they trained a platoon with all belt fed Stoners, it would have been pretty formidable.</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yes, but these armies aren&#8217;t trained that way. Riflemen should be riflemen, and the machine gun is restricted to certain personnel with specific machine gun jobs. It would have been very simple to make things so that you couldn&#8217;t make a machine gun out of a rifle, but that would get rid of one of the beautiful things about the Stoner &#8211; the adaptability. The only complaint I ever received was that it was too easy to make a machine gun out of it.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>Henk, you were involved in many of the post World War II arms deals. What about the surplus deals?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;I got some surplus 20mm ammo from our Air Force and I sold it to Israel. I worked with Tom Nelson&#8217;s company and went on some trips with him, but we were not very successful in obtaining surplus guns.<br></p>


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<p><strong>SAR:</strong><em>&nbsp;Was there any surplus in your time in Vietnam?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Only the RPGs and other items we discussed earlier. Of course there were much more US military leftovers from Vietnam that were surplused out, but not through our company. I should tell you that I was given the rank of Colonel in the US Army so that I had an ID card. If you got captured by the North Vietnamese, the US Army figured that an officer would be treated better. I still have the ID today.&nbsp;<em>(Henk shows us a Vietnam era US Military ID card with his picture and the rank of Colonel.)</em>&nbsp;We wanted to know how the testing went with the 3,000 guns for Vietnam, but secondly we had to be involved in the MECAR rifle grenades. The Marines were very interested in these rifle grenades, the shaped charges that punched 5cm holes. There was one demonstration where the armored plate was at 160 meters, and as I was a good shot, I could stand there and whop it, and they could see the hole was there. I came upon the idea of mini hand grenades then. In Vietnam, I saw the soldiers go out with only two hand grenades, and if the grenades got wet then they had to be destroyed. With the help of MECAR, we made very small hand grenades and the inside was ribbed in little squares. We used RDX instead of the normal high-explosive. I designed a special short ring that you couldn&#8217;t pull, you had to twist it, and then you could get it out. This prevented a lot of accidents. I had a special detonator made by Dynamit Nobel and we sealed the grenades in plastic so you&#8217;d have a bandolier with ten mini hand grenades. This weighed as much as two standard hand grenades giving the soldiers a lot of waterproof hand grenades for their missions. I also had them make an aluminum tail with an old-type beer bottle closer; you could stick the hand grenade on there and close that. There was a thin wire, so when you fired it from the rifle, the wire would break and the lever would jump off and at 200 meters you had an explosion.</p>


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<p>Then MECAR said, &#8220;Nice, but let&#8217;s make a rifle grenade that&#8217;s just the same in arming, but the standard size.&#8221; We also had parachute flares. Then there was a request from the Americans and they said, &#8220;Listen, we have had cases where we bombed our own people in the deep jungle cover. We want a flare that goes through the canopy and explodes at 100 meters with a big flash and a brown cloud.&#8221; They wanted a test quantity of 200 or so, and three weeks later they were on a plane from Germany to Vietnam for testing. It was really successful; there was a big flash and a bang after it exited the jungle canopy. We were working to design a bullet trap in the grenade tail so you could fire with live rounds. Around that time the owners of MECAR decided to sell the whole shebang to an American company. I had a contract with them that said I received a commission on everything that was sold, regarding the rifle grenades and such. They tried to talk me out of it, and I said, &#8220;Gentlemen. You&#8217;ve just told me that I am going to make millions from these mini-grenades, but give me one hundred thousand dollars and it&#8217;s yours.&#8221; I wanted out of the company and the new owners. A lot of yak-yak and I got my hundred thousand dollars.</p>


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<p><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>But not the millions in the future&#8230;</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;No, I would get none of that. The Marines bought a lot of those rifle grenades, and they tested them and decided to adopt them. Again the same thing happened. The U.S. Army was working on the 40mm launchers and they didn&#8217;t want the Marines to have something else. The Marines adopted the 40mm, not our multi-purpose hand and rifle grenades.</p>


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<p><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>That sounds like the end of the Stoner 63 and MECAR projects. Where did you go from there?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;We were into developing a &#8220;breakup&#8221; training round. It was an idea that I had in Germany after seeing how they had to have tremendous ranges when they were shooting at air targets. We had a plastic bullet with compressed iron powder parts in it that gave the same recoil &#8211; everything the same as a ball round, but it caught the rifling and because of the plastic jacket, after 50 meters or so, it would burst and there was just a cloud of powder. What they also wanted to test was putting a round that wouldn&#8217;t function in the magazines; something which would cause a stoppage. It was for the soldiers learning to fix the stoppage. We sold millions to the Germans. Really, many millions in numerous calibers as it turned out. This ammo functioned perfectly in the German 20mm gun and the twin 20mm AA guns.<br><br>They had thousands of these twin-barreled 20mm guns used for AA defense and the troops had to train with them. For training purposes, a plane came flying past with the target sack. They had to aim and they fired like mad and it was really something exciting to see: a whole row of twenty twin 20mm guns. From there we went to the 40mm Bofors round 40 l 60 and 70, also with the break up projectile.</p>


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<p>One problem occurred when the Dutch Navy wanted the 40mm Bofors too. They went out and shot it at sea, but there was so much wind out there that the powder would blow back and immediately started rusting the ship. &#8220;Oh my God, our beautiful ship! You are ruining our beautiful ships&#8221; they cried. (Laughter.) For land based use, though, we sold a lot of these.</p>


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<figure class="alignright size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="337" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/011.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-39977" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/011.jpg 337w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/011-144x300.jpg 144w" sizes="(max-width: 337px) 100vw, 337px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">NWM’s Blank Firing Attachment (BFA) for the Stoner Assault Rifle. (Photo courtesy Henk Visser)</figcaption></figure>
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<p>Around that time the Swiss company Oerlikon asked me to come and work for them. Singapore asked me to get them 120 20mm cannons for the armored cars they bought from Cadillac Gage. I just walked in to Oerlikon and said, &#8220;They want an order from you for 120 cannons.&#8221; Oerlikon couldn&#8217;t believe it. They had never done much business in the Far East, only Japan. I got the offer and flew out to Singapore. They looked at the prices and thought it was ok, and they went up to the boss, who had a Dutch name, and he signed the contract. I was amazed. I came back and walked into Oerlikon and said, &#8220;Here&#8217;s your contract.&#8221; They almost fell over. After the war they hadn&#8217;t had any big contracts like that, 120 20mm guns. The big boss said to me, &#8220;What do you want as a commission?&#8221; I hadn&#8217;t even thought about it. I thought, &#8220;Maybe one percent? Do I have the guts to ask for two percent?&#8221; Then the boss says, &#8220;Is six percent enough?&#8221; I got a million Swiss francs commission, and that was the first time I&#8217;d ever done anything like that. I started working for them and became the boss for the whole Far East. I sold the South Koreans all of their 35mm AA guns, and also sold to Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, and Thailand. That made me a rich man, you know, because besides the big salary they paid me a two percent commission as well. When you get a $900 million order, that&#8217;s really something. (Laughter). I was with Oerlikon for about fifteen years, from 1975 until around 1990.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong><em>&nbsp;Not bad for a little Dutch kid who started his cannon ammunition career making 20mm detonators while a slave laborer in a German prison.</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yes, a very, very, long way from that.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>What are you working on today?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;I spend most of my time working on restoration of historical firearms, major projects to save many of these works of art. There was a big restoration project in Russia. I came to Russian in 1988 with Dr. Arne Hoff, the director of the Tojhuseet museum in Copenhagen. Even before the war, it was known there were many historical Dutch guns in the Kremlin Armory. We went there, and we were received well but they didn&#8217;t even want to give us their last names. It was forbidden to give your last name to a foreigner. I liked them, and they liked me, and we got off on good footing. Each time I came there, I brought them suitcases full of Dutch specialties of coffee, &#8220;cup-a-soup&#8221; packets, an electric water heater, and 200w light bulbs. They had 40w light bulbs in the depot and you couldn&#8217;t see anything. I brought them nice mugs to drink from, and we had a very good relationship.<br><br>I knew all the guns they had, and they had about 350 beautiful guns, of which 120 needed serious care. Pieces were broken off, pieces to be repaired, and I asked, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you restore them? You have a lot of wonderful pieces here.&#8221; They said, &#8220;We have no money to do this, Russian things must come first.&#8221; I said I would do it and would pay for it. It took two years of negotiation, and I became friends with the Minister of Culture, who must have studied at an American university because he spoke fluent English. They eventually let 120 guns go to Holland where I could have them restored. We had the best restorer in the world for antique arms, Herman Prummel, he can do anything. I thought it would be half-year project, but it took two and a half years to finish. In the meantime, a good friend of mine, Helena Yablonskaya, wrote up all the Dutch guns in Russia; about 120 at the Kremlin Armory, some at the Historical Museum, some at St. Petersburg&#8217;s Hermitage, 350 in all. In the series of my books, there is one book about all of those.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>It sounds like you are very dedicated now to restoring these historical Dutch firearms.</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yes, very much so. I am full of crazy stories on this. When I was younger, before the war, our high school made day trips to different places. One of the trips was to Emden in North Germany and there was an armory in the Rathouse with lots of suits of armor and guns and pistols. The first battle with the Spaniards in our Eighty Years War was in 1568 in &#8216;t Heiligerlee, a village near Groningen. There was a wooden case closed with mesh steel wire, and inside it were musket balls from the first battle to get rid of the Spaniards. We had a Nazi guard with us in a black uniform, and when he wasn&#8217;t looking I took my pocketknife and lifted up the steel wire and stole one musket ball. I still have it today.&nbsp;<em>(Laughter.)</em><br><br>Emden was flattened during the war and I always wanted to go back. I went to the Meppen Army testing grounds nearby, but I never got to go back to Emden. Finally, about a year and a half ago I go with Herman Prummel who told me that a lot of pistols were rotting away in the depot. I went over there&#8230;.and it was horrible. There were the most beautiful Dutch wheellock pistols full of wormholes, half the stock gone, and the metal cleaned with emery paper. My big mistake was not to take the whole pile for an offer of 50,000 euros because they&#8217;re never going to show this stuff, but I said, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you restore them?&#8221; They said they had no money, so I said I&#8217;d do it. They said, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you take them? We&#8217;ll talk to the director, and come back in two weeks.&#8221; So I came back in two weeks and instead of having 10 ready, they had 50. We took all 50, and it took more than a year for Herman Prummel to restore them. They are in fantastic condition now. Fortunately, they had saved all the metal parts that had fallen off. If the buttstock had been eaten, they still had the metal ring. Those Dutch wheellock pistols were very light and elegant. These are at my house right now, waiting for the museum to open. We are now working on a catalogue with pictures of them.<br><br>I guess that my passion today is the works of art that are in these old firearms. I have spent a lot of time making them whole again.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>Henk, I want to thank you for sharing these stories with SAR&#8217;s readers.</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yes, I have enjoyed this, and I hope to come to the SHOT show and see old friends.<br><br><em>We discussed many more stories of the old days and the arms trade, as well as current restoration projects that Henk Visser is involved in, but those must wait for another day. &#8211; Dan</em></p>



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					<description><![CDATA[Hinderikus (Henk) Lucas Visser was born in the City of Groningen, the capitol of Groningen Province in the northeast of the Netherlands, on 5 August 1923. Henk was very involved in the CETME rifle project, the original HK G3, Stoner’s projects (most notably the Stoner 63A1), Oerlikon, Mauser, and many other historical events that impact on the small arms community today. Smallarmsreview.com is pleased to bring this lengthy and comprehensive interview to our readers from our 2006 issue  and will be presented in two parts. - Dan Shea, SAR Editor-in-Chief]]></description>
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<p><em>By Dan Shea and Dolf Goldsmith &#8211; </em></p>



<p><em>Hinderikus (Henk) Lucas Visser was born in the City of Groningen, the capital of Groningen Province in the northeast of the Netherlands, on 5 August 1923. Henk was very involved in the CETME rifle project, the original HK G3, Stoner’s projects (most notably the Stoner 63A1), Oerlikon, Mauser, and many other historical events that impact on the small arms community today. Smallarmsreview.com is pleased to bring this lengthy and comprehensive interview to our readers from our 2006 issue  and will be presented in two parts. &#8211; Dan Shea, SAR Editor-in-Chief</em></p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="588" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/001-108.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-9685" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/001-108.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/001-108-300x252.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/001-108-600x504.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Henk Visser with Stoner 63A1 serial number 002986. This is one of the final versions of the Stoner system that was originally manufactured by Cadillac Gage in Michigan, with a sixty round experimental magazine that was made for testing. Surprisingly, the magazine functioned perfectly, but it was the only one made. The scope is a 3.6x with rear adjustment ring 100-800 meters, made by Artillerie Inrichtingen at Hembrug, in the Netherlands for the Dutch FAL. The scope is gas filled and water tight, it has a rubber eye piece and a sun shade. The mount was made at NWM and it attached quickly to the Stoner sight base. <br>(<strong>Photo courtesy Henk Visser</strong>)</em></figcaption></figure>
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<p><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>Thanks for joining us, Henk. I guess the readers would like to know what got you started with firearms &#8211; what was your first gun?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;My first gun was an old pinfire revolver, which you could buy for about two bucks in those days. I was maybe fifteen years old. Pinfire ammunition was very rare so I just collected these and enjoyed looking at them and I would hide them from my mother who did not approve. My father had died when I was ten years old. Later in life my mother would complain about my gun collecting habits, but I would say, “Mother, it’s your own fault. You never bought me an air rifle.”<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;<em>And your interest in military firearms?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;I had wanted to be in the military, so as soon as I could ride my bicycle, I was always around the barracks in Groningen and the nearby airfield. After the German occupation of Holland, May 10, 1940, there wasn’t much hope for me to join the Dutch army. I was still in high school, and was definitely not a Nazi sympathizer. With friends, we harassed the occupying military units, and I was arrested by the Germans but managed to talk my way out of it several times. I was eighteen years old when the SD (German Sicherheitsdienst) finally arrested me.</p>



<p><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>What were the charges? And, I suppose, were you actually guilty?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> Guilty as charged. Sabotage, gun possession, those were the main charges. It was May 5th, 1942 when the German SD arrested me. It was in the classroom, in front of all the other kids. (Laughs) It was quite something! On one occasion I had broken into the German barracks and put a match to a wooden building that the Germans were setting up for storing radio transmitters. It was at the airfield next to our town that the Germans had expanded and made into a bigger airfield. They held me, because the last thing I did was to break into the Navy officers’ mess, and I stole a K98, a machine pistol, a pistol, ammo and some of their papers. We had a small group of people that had gotten together to do this, and there was one man who was a traitor, he tried to blackmail me. Anyway, the Dutch police got involved, and I got arrested. Then in July I had a Navy court-martial in the town of Utrecht.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>So, your first machine gun involved getting a Navy court-martial from the Germans while you were in high school?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> <em>(Laughs)</em> Yes, and they condemned me to death and also three years for another break-in in a Dutch Nazi gunsmith shop in town.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>An additional three years?</em><br><br>Visser: With the Germans, you were condemned separately for each crime and punished that way as well. I had a friend in jail, a cadet from the Dutch military academy, who was condemned separately to death three times, plus ten years, and four months. His father was very rich, and he started paying people off, so the Germans took off two of the death sentences and shot him for the third. My uncle, who was a director of the Dutch Philips electronic company, knew one of the German supervisors of the factory and tried to get me off. He told the supervisor, “You have to go and see if you can get the boy pardoned since his mother is a widow and only has one other younger son.” The supervisor went to see Seis Inquart, the German ruler of Holland, who said that this was a job only for the military. He suggested that my uncle should talk to General Christiansen, who was the military commander in Holland&#8230;but he also said no, and he said that Dutch high school boys who think that they can make a joke out of the German Army will be shot. So my mother was quite desperate, and she went with our lawyer to see the German Navy commander herself. Just to let you know how these Germans were; he lived in a big villa&#8230;my mother and our lawyer passed the guards at the gate, rang the bell, and a Navy sailor opened the door. He took the letter that my mother had brought asking for a pardon, and left my mother and the lawyer standing outside in the rain for half an hour. Then the door opened again and the same sailor gave the letter back to my mother, torn in half.<br><br>My mother was very desperate at this point. Her father had a butcher shop in town, and next to that was a vegetable shop&#8230;our two families were good friends. One of the children of the vegetable shop owner, Kees Veening, had gone to live in Berlin to be a speech therapist, teaching them how to breathe, etc. Kees Veening had a neighbor, and they became good friends. The neighbor was a historian, a reservist in the German army and was called up for duty in 1938. He had become a general and was responsible for the daily historical facts in Hitler’s headquarters, the “Wolfschanze.” This man had an idea: if he could get a hold of my file from the Dutch prison and keep it, the Germans in Holland would not be able to shoot me. So I sat for three months in the section of the prison where they kept the prisoners who were condemned to die, and oftentimes at 5 in the morning you would hear the Germans with the steel-toed boots coming up to take one or two of us out to be shot. So the question was always, “Who’s next?” I was there for three months.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>On a German death row cellblock for three months, waiting to be shot every day?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> Yes. You had to take all of your clothes off at night, so that if you escaped during the night you’d be naked. One night, there was a tremendous row and shouting and a group of drunken German guards came knocking on my door. I was sleeping on a straw bale, so I got up and ran to the window, stood at attention, reported myself and my punishment. The Germans shouted “Visser, who was condemned to death&#8230;You swine, our Führer has pardoned you!” After repeating this several times they threw my door closed, and I thought, “Oh, this is wonderful,” and went back to sleep on my straw bale. The next morning I realized that I had made it, and had gotten 15 years in a German prison instead. Later I learned that the German historian had waited until the Germans were throwing a party for their successes in Russia. They had taken over a million prisoners at that occasion and were celebrating. They were extremely pleased and were drinking champagne in Hitler’s headquarters. As Hitler was sitting at the table, the historian, General Scherff, approached with the letter from my mother and explained the story. Hitler looked up and said, “A friend of yours, eh?” and Hitler himself crossed out “Death Penalty” and wrote “15 years Zuchthaus” instead. When the people at my prison got the telex message from the Wolfschanze, they got drunk and came to my door at 2 or 3 in the morning to tell me that I had made it.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>Well, there’s a project for some of our better connected readers. Somewhere, there is a piece of paper with Adolf Hitler’s handwriting on it that freed Henk Visser from a death sentence.</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> Yes, yes, I would pay $10,000 for that piece of paper! I was then transported to prison in Germany, a prison with small factories inside. There I had to work very hard, we had to make little aluminum cylinders. After the war, while taking apart a 20mm shell, I found one of those little cylinders. It was an aluminum detonator. We had to fashion them and drill a hole through them and of course thread them. We would make 5,000 of these per day and if you didn’t make 5,000 then you only got a liter of cabbage soup instead of 1.5 liters. Cabbage soup may not sound very special, but in the prison, an extra 0.5 liter of soup was important! So we made 5,000 per day.<br><br>We were in a very old prison called Zuchthaus Reinbach, near Bonn. Then I was moved to another prison called Zuchthaus Siegburg, on the other side of Bonn, and there I also worked for my dinner. I repaired military uniforms, and worked in a tool making shop. We worked about twelve hours a day in shifts, sometimes during the day and sometimes during the night. I must say I was lucky; in a concentration camp I would have died. In these prisons you had a roof over your head. It was a big building with thick walls, and if it was 20 degrees below zero outside it was only just freezing inside, which was cold but you didn’t freeze to death. We had guards who had been guards for all of their lives, they were professionals and so there were not many beatings or much abuse. We had some new guards who came in from the Eastern front missing an arm or something, and since they really couldn’t do a good job they would sometimes beat us to take revenge.<br><br>Anyway, I got very ill. I had tuberculosis in my lungs, intestines, on my vocal cords, and on a heart valve. I was dying and my weight was 100 pounds. Still, I was always treated a little differently from the other prisoners.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>You must have had some pull from somewhere.</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> They knew I had received a pardon from Hitler himself, and the General Scherff sometimes inquired about how I was doing, so yes, they were careful with me. I was taken to the prison hospital. It was unbelievable, there were 3,000 prisoners with half of them sick and there were only 14 beds in the hospital. I got one of those beds, and I was dying. My uncle, who’s company Philips also owned a lot of factories in Germany, started inquiring about how I was doing. He was told that I was ill, but treated very well, and that I was cared for by nuns and that every day I would get an egg, but my uncle didn’t trust them. He sent someone who talked to the director of the Zuchthaus who reported that I couldn’t talk anymore and that I was dying. So he had his lawyers look over the German law regarding prisoners, and they found an old law that said if you were incarcerated and dying, you could go home to die. All of the judges that condemned me would have to sign off for my release, so my uncle went to see all five of the judges, at that time they were dispersed all over Germany because of fear for an invasion in Holland. When all of them signed I was sent home, but because of my contagious disease, I wasn’t allowed to go back by train. They didn’t want me infecting anybody else. The Phillips people had an ambulance that ran on propane, but since the gas stations were so far apart in Germany, they put the ambulance on top of a truck and trailer which ran on a wood burning gas generator. They came with a nurse to the prison, and through my uncle managed to rescue my hospital cellmate as well, another Dutch student from Groningen. We drove back through Germany and I was very happy to see buildings still on fire from Allied bombings. We got back to Holland and they hid me in a Roman Catholic sanatorium in Bilthoven. I was there for two and a half years, recovering.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>Was that the end of the war?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> On the 18th of May, 1944 I got out of Germany. The liberation of Europe happened while I was convalescing, and at the end of 1946 I went home.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>It must have taken a long time to build your strength back.</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> I felt ok, I did what I had to do, and I could even bicycle a little bit. My mother made me go back to high school; she said I needed a high school diploma. (laughs) Of course the military was out of the question for me, because of my weak lungs. I wanted to go to the police academy, but was offered a job as a sales inspector in Java, in the East Indies &#8211; formerly the Dutch East Indies &#8211; and I accepted. The company had me tested to make sure that my health was alright, it was, and I was approved to go and work in the tropics.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>Was this a firearms related job you were looking for in the tropics?</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> No, it was in the tobacco industry. I was in Java for five years where I worked and hunted; wild boar, mostly. I had a German 7mm rifle with a 12 gauge shotgun barrel. My job was inspecting the cigarettes sold by our company in Java. We manufactured the cigarettes, and wanted to make sure that the cigarettes weren’t being sold or bought on the black market. There were many Chinese sales outlets all over Indonesia and the islands that needed to be inspected. I traveled a lot, all over Java, and for a while I lived in Jakarta, Malang and Semarang. There were about five Europeans running the factory, and for a year and a half I was the chief purchasing agent. This was from 1950 until 1955. <em>(Dolf mentions that he was there at the same time, too bad they hadn’t met at that point.)</em> It was a fantastic time; the company was really well run. The Dutch people who were running it were no-nonsense and everything was always ok. Holland had given up Indonesia in December of 1949, and the bad thing was (and I’m very pro-American) that under American pressure, they pushed the Dutch out and threatened to stop the Marshall Plan for Holland. There were millions of dollars going into rebuilding the Netherlands. So you can understand that our government gave in.<br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> <em>(Dolf) The Americans pushed the Dutch into giving up the country. My father was very bitter about that, too.</em><br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> Yes, yes, the Americans had the idea of instituting liberty and democracy and everything Western, but we were not ready for it! Our Queen Wilhelmina had already said in 1942 that Indonesia would be a free country in the future; the process would have only taken about 15 years to complete.<br><br><strong>SAR (Dan)</strong>: <em>In America we tend to think that there’s a magic wand for those who’ve been under colonial control or subjugation or despotic control, that they can suddenly handle freedom. I don’t want to get too far off the subject, but I’ve seen it too many times in too many places. Often we think we can touch a country and suddenly it’s free. It’s certainly not that simple. Henk, you lived right through the middle of the Jakarta incidents? Is this the point where you started to develop more of an interest in machine guns?<br><br></em><strong>Visser:</strong> No, Dan, I have always been crazy about weapons. But going through the war years changed my perception of the world. When the Germans first “arrived,” they acted nice and very friendly. Holland was very wealthy and a rich booty. When it came to food I saw German soldiers go into Dutch shops to buy and eat an entire stick of butter, they hadn’t seen real butter in so long. Other things too, pastries, breads, all sorts of foods, they took them back home to their families. So in the beginning there wasn’t any ill treatment, but as every good Dutchman, I hated them from the very first moment. It wasn’t until later that the Germans showed their real character. They cleaned out the whole country. I actually started my collecting interest with military weapons when I got home from prison and the sanatorium. There was a gun in almost every home, taken from the Germans when they fled. I had friends at the police department, so if they had a really nice machine gun I was able to shoot it or buy it if they didn’t require it.</p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="369" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/002.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-39956" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/002.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/002-300x158.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Henk Visser with Stoner 63A1 serial number 002986. This is one of the final versions of the Stoner system that was originally manufactured by Cadillac Gage in Michigan, with a sixty round experimental magazine that was made for testing. Surprisingly, the magazine functioned perfectly, but it was the only one made. The scope is a 3.6x with rear adjustment ring 100-800 meters, made by Artillerie Inrichtingen at Hembrug, in the Netherlands for the Dutch FAL. The scope is gas filled and water tight, it has a rubber eye piece and a sun shade. The mount was made at NWM and it attached quickly to the Stoner sight base. (Photo courtesy Henk Visser)</figcaption></figure>
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<p><em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> This was before your journey to Indonesia? Were you able to pick up many rare guns?<br><br></em><strong>Visser:</strong> Yes, this was from 1947 to 1949. My interest in collecting military firearms was very intense, starting then. In those days it was all the common guns, also French guns that the Germans used. For instance, the first French machine gun that I got was a Hotchkiss 1914. It was a great big machine gun with cooling fins and a huge tripod. I was very interested in German sniper rifles at the time. When I went to Indonesia, I had to hide my collection in my mother’s house, since I had no license for these guns.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> Are we seeing a pattern of youthful disregard for gun laws here?<br><br><strong>Visser:</strong> </em>(laughs) Yes, yes, and they were all cleaned very well before I left, so that when I returned there wasn’t a spot of rust on any of them.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> When did you get involved in arms trading?<br><br></em><strong>Visser:</strong> On my way to an appointment I stopped at a gun shop in a small street in Groningen. The guy that owned the shop had also spent some time in a German prison, as well as a concentration camp. In the shop I met a gentleman who was on the board of an ammunition factory in the south of Holland, he invited me to come and see the operation. I went there; it was a small factory that had just received an order for .30 carbine ammo from the Americans. The factory itself was a mess. I was told that the chairman of the board from the factory would like to talk to me; he offered me a job as director. He told me that the founder of the factory had died and that his younger brother wasn’t doing a good job running things. I said no, I didn’t want that job; I wanted to go back to Indonesia.<br><br>My boss back in Indonesia was a colonialist. He worked us to death, we never got enough salary, but we still led a wonderful life. He would always say, “Do this and I’ll give you a raise and a promotion.” I learned that even if I got a promotion, there would be no raise for me. He told me to go to Jakarta for a year and if I did a good job there, I would get a raise and a promotion, but when my review came up, I got a good promotion but no raise, as usual. He always had another task for me but I never got a raise. After five years, I got 8 months furlough. Usually when people went on furlough they would go straight home to Holland, but I asked if I could go to America. My boss agreed to pay for it, saying that I wasn’t such a bad guy. I flew to the Cocos Islands, Australia, lots of other small islands, Samoa, and then on to Hawaii, Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Boston to visit a friend, and down to Washington D.C.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> That doesn’t explain your start in the arms trade&#8230;<br><br></em><strong>Visser:</strong> I am getting to it, Dan, patience. Before I went on vacation my boss in Indonesia began to worry about the link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer, which was getting more and more attention in America. He asked me to see how the American tobacco companies were dealing with it. I went to Philip Morris, and they told me that more and more people were buying mentholated and filtered cigarettes because the public thought that they were not as bad. I wrote back to my boss what the Americans had told me, and he quickly started ordering the machinery to manufacture filtered cigarettes. These of course are more dangerous than unfiltered cigarettes because it allows you to smoke the cigarette all the way to the filter. You end up inhaling far more tar, etc. than you would get from smoking a cigarette without filter.<br><br>My boss had told me that upon my return from furlough I would become the Inspector for the Island of Sumatra. And so again I asked him if I would get my raise, he said that we would discuss it when I returned. He was in Holland at the same time, so I traveled to Eindhoven where he was with his family and had dinner with him. I asked him during dinner if I would finally get the position I wanted, with a higher salary and the ability to sign for the company as a representative. (Editor’s note: In Europe, the right to sign documents in the name of the company puts you in a much higher level socially. You generally get a much better salary.) He said that if I did a good job working in Sumatra that I would get the position I wanted. At that moment I realized he was lying, and the next morning I started talking to the people from the ammunition factory again. I asked for what was at that time a fantastic salary, not at all contingent on how the company did at the end of the year. They accepted!<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong> So your international weapons career started in the ammunition factory in Hertogenbosch in Holland.</em></p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="551" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/003.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-39954" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/003.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/003-300x236.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Caliber .60 ammunition that would have been produced in the factory that Visser got free. Left to right: T-32 Ball, T-33 HP, T-35 Dummy, T-36 Incendiary. </em><br><em>(<strong>Source &#8211; Aberdeen Proving Grounds photo, LMO Working Reference Collection</strong>)</em></figcaption></figure>
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<p><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;You might say it started when I was making those fuzes in a German prison (Laughs). But, I’ll tell you, my first day as director there, I almost cried. There were two secretaries, and neither one could write or type a letter without mistakes. Everything looked horrible and unprofessional from that office on down to the factory. I had to fight to straighten out that company. When I arrived, there were 63 people working there, and when I left there were over a 1,000.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;Did this job lead to you becoming a member of the 7.62 NATO council?<br><br></em><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;After the cigarette factory in Indonesia, I think this was a really big start for me. I got a call one day from an American friend at the Pentagon who said, “Henk, we know you’re working on blanks with a lengthened case so that they feed automatically. We don’t have that, and this morning during a mock battle in Panama the American side had to shout “Poof! Poof!” because they had no blanks that would function automatically in their weapons. The general who was responsible for Panama got mad and demanded immediate delivery of the special blanks.”<br><br>I said to my friend that I could get some of my guys and some of our new blanks, cases, powder, tools and the necessary weapons, and fly over to see what we could do. We flew to Washington and went from there to Frankfurt Arsenal, where testing began on our ammo. Whether fired from a gun that had been in a freezer or not, our blanks worked perfectly! The guys from Frankfurt Arsenal wanted to inspect our blanks and see how they could copy them, but they didn’t have the time. The Pentagon wanted 45 million blank rounds in cal. 7.62 NATO, and we would get one-third of the order, which for us was a very, very big order. We were very excited until one day I got a call from them with sad news. They said that Congress refused to release the money needed for that big order and instead specified that only 30 million rounds would be purchased, with the order going to Frankfurt Arsenal, so we lost out. This was a big blow to our company, but there was also good news. They told me that they understood that we wanted to make 20mm aircraft ammo. They offered me a 20mm ammunition factory for free, with new machinery and everything, in St. Louis, that had been used to manufacture .60 caliber ammo and later 20mm aircraft ammo. It had been “mothballed” for use in an emergency.<br><em><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;The early M39 revolver cannon series, the T161s, were T130E3 .60 caliber machine guns before they were moved into the 20mm range.</em></p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="177" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/004.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-39957" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/004.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/004-300x76.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>One of the end users for the .60 caliber ammunition was the T130E3 (M38) Revolver machine gun, a forerunner of the 20mm M39 series Revolver Cannons. <br>(<strong>Illustration from TM 9-2310 TO 39A-5. 2 Sept. 1954</strong>)</em></figcaption></figure>
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<p><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yes, it was the plant for that ammunition. We went to St. Louis to look at it, and we were flabbergasted. Everything, the machines, the tools, etc. was brand new, and just for us. I went back to Holland to arrange for transport. I came back to the Pentagon (which was very easy to just walk into in those days) to talk to Colonel Moor and a couple of other officials, but they had sad news again. “We cannot give you the plant,” they said. They saw my reaction&#8230;and after a long pause continued, “But we can sell you the plant for a $1,000.” We paid the thousand dollars and brought all of the machinery back to Holland. The end result was that once we got operational we supplied every NATO Air Force with the 20mm rounds: the Brits, the Norwegians, the Germans, the Dutch, everybody. Later, when the Vietnam War began, the US Air Force realized that they did not have enough 20mm rounds. They requested an order for 10 million 20mm rounds. Our Holland plant could fill that order so a meeting took place at the pentagon. One of the officials said, “This is crazy! Lake City is not the only ammunition plant we have. Don’t we have one in the South?” Colonel Moor pointed at me and said, “Yes, and HE has that plant.” (Visser laughs) So we used the plant from St. Louis to fill a 23 million dollar order for 10 million rounds.</p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="515" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/005.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-39959" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/005.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/005-300x221.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Twin caliber .60 machine guns on the T120 mount. Action of these guns was more in the Hispano style. (<strong>Source &#8211; Aberdeen Proving Grounds photo, LMO Working Reference Collection</strong>)</em></figcaption></figure>
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<p><em><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;Like all good arms dealers, I love a story where you get a plant for surplus and then get to sell the product back to your source (laughter). Henk, that probably would have been 1967 or 1968 and jumps us too far ahead in this story. When did you first get involved with Armalite?</em></p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="479" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/006.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-39960" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/006.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/006-300x205.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Part of the order for 10 million rounds of 20mm ammunition for the US Air Force. This ammunition was needed in the Vietnam War, and was shipped via air from Bitburg. (<strong>Photo courtesy Henk Visser</strong>)</em></figcaption></figure>
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<p><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Ah, patience, Dan, patience. First we must address the CETME (Centro de Estudios Technicales de Materiales Especiales) program. When I started to work in Holland for NWM in 1955, they had an advisor that was a retired Dutch rear admiral who became a very good friend of mine. He had been in Spain recently (he spoke fluent Spanish), where some Spanish and Germans had been working on a new gun made from sheet steel. I knew of some of the developments that had been done in Germany with the Sturmgewehr, and I flew to Madrid. The operations there were very isolated from the outside world. The main operation was on the CETME rifle. They showed me the whole factory, and pointed out some of the small tools and things that they were missing which I could supply, so I told them I’d help out. I became very friendly with them, and pretty soon I had my own CETME rifle to take back with me to Holland. That rifle&#8230;that’s a whole other story.<br><br>It was made for special ammunition, an aluminum bullet with a copper jacket&#8230;a very long bullet with a short case. The man who designed this ammunition was Dr. Voss, and he was the German Air Force ballistician, and he was also the ballistician for the CETME group. He was very knowledgeable about recoil and automatic fire and the physics of holding a gun. During that time, the first German armed forces were the Bundesgrenzschutz who were supposed to guard the German boarders. There were 20,000 soldiers armed with German K98’s and the MG42’s, as well as 100 new 20mm Hispano guns and of course the P38 pistol, and nothing else. The boss was Colonel Naujokat, and he had been in charge of the two flat cars before and behind Hitler’s quarters on his train (during WWII). These open cars had 4-barreled 20mm automatic cannons on them.<br><br>The Spanish went to the Colonel and demonstrated for him in Bonn. The Colonel liked the new Sturmgewehr and the ammo very much, but told them they had the wrong caliber. The standard caliber was cal. 7.62, but this new Spanish ammunition was cal. 7.92. So they went back to Spain and changed the gun, the magazine, and, of course, they had to make new ammunition. They also made new firing tables, it took a year. After which they had their new CETME ammunition in cal. 7.62.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;This was not yet 7.62 NATO ammunition, correct?</em></p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="445" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/007.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-39961" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/007.jpg 445w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/007-191x300.jpg 191w" sizes="(max-width: 445px) 100vw, 445px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Quito, Ecuador, 22 October, 1958. Henk Visser on the left, with Ludwig Vorgrinler of Mauser on the right, demonstrating the Mauser-CETME machine gun. (<strong>Photo courtesy Henk Visser</strong>)</em></figcaption></figure>
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<p><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Correct. After the Spanish finished their new ammo, they brought it and the guns back to the German Colonel, who turned white and said, “Oh my God. I should have told you that 7.62 also requires a new case: the T65 case.” The Spanish group was beside itself, returned to Madrid and decided that it was all over. The gun was mathematically designed for a low powered cartridge and the 7.62 NATO had much more power, so it needed a totally new gun. But one of the bosses at the Madrid factory pointed out that the factory had good relations with the American military attaché, since they had just received an order to develop caseless rifle ammunition and caseless 20mm. The boss said, “Go and get a barrel and 1,000 7.62 NATO rounds.” Which they got from the U.S. The CETME with that barrel fired 600 7.62 rounds before the gun fell apart. The cartridge was far too powerful, since the gun was designed for a lighter round. The German engineers rebuilt and strengthened the housing as the German army wanted to arm their soldiers with them.<br><br>They had contact with the Heckler &amp; Koch people, who were all old Mauser people working in two wooden barracks, making tools for pressings and so forth, and that’s how I came into contact with Heckler &amp; Koch. The Germans at the Weapons Department in Bonn were always making changes in the gun, and it was Heckler &amp; Koch who made the changes on the CETME. I told the CETME people, “You guys have no sales organization&#8230;.let NWM have the rights to act for you all over the world.” They told me I had to pay for the right, which was no problem for NWM. They gave me the world rights for the CETME rifle, excluding Spain, Portugal and Germany. The rest of the world was ours. They also said that if I wanted to set up production elsewhere, they would help us get started.<br><br>In the meantime they were still working on the guns&#8230;making a new grip and so on&#8230;they had spent millions making the guns and making the changes. I went to the Dutch army, who agreed to test out the gun with all kinds of different ammo, including French steelcased ammo. They fired the steel ammo. When the trigger was pulled, there was a BIG noise, the rate of fire was 1,800 rounds per minute, and about half of the empty steelcases got stuck in the wooden wall. I told the Colonel to stop the test&#8230;it was a hopeless case. As it turned out, they never actually manufactured the steel ammo, but it was a hopeless case nonetheless.<br><br>To make the gun work, they had added grooves in the chamber, so that some of the gas would press on the exterior of the case to release it. The main fault of the CETME rifle is that as soon as the climate gets moist, firing the gun without immediately cleaning it results in sticky cases. This design of the roller locking system is only good for lightly-powered ammunition. We had a very fortunate thing happen; the Germans had improved the gun enough so that it functioned, but later on I learned that Heckler &amp; Koch had a trick up their sleeves. All of the guns were tested, and they had seven different-sized sets of rollers, so that if there was a problem they would put other rollers on the locking mechanism. They would change the rollers until everything worked properly!<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;Very pragmatic from the point of view of a demonstrator. What year was that?<br><br></em><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;1958 as I remember. Because the Germans had changed the rollers and had gotten the first order for 400,000 rifles, the whole world wanted the CETME rifle in the form of the G3. They had to say no to worldwide orders, because they didn’t have the rights to sell outside of Spain, Portugal and Germany, I did! We did have plans to make the rifle outside of Spain, but I stopped those plans because I felt the design was not good. I got a call from Bonn, it was my good friend from the Ministry who said, “Henk, we cannot have this. Here we are, a great nation, and we cannot sell our own rifle. I’ll offer you a deal: I know you want to make 20mm ammo for those thousand Starfighters we have bought.” They were so far back, they bought 1,000 Starfighters and they didn’t know what gun was in it! He said, “You’ll get 33% of all orders for 20mm ammo if you relinquish the rights to sell the CETME rifle.” I said, “OK.” He immediately went and got his secretary to type up a document saying that I would forever get 33% of all the 20mm orders for the Germans. ANY 20mm ammo. It saved our neck. It was one of the best days of my life&#8230;I didn’t realize it at the time, but that was the end of our CETME involvement.</p>


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<p><em><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;You were the link between CETME and Heckler &amp; Koch?<br><br></em><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Partly, yes. Heckler &amp; Koch were not big shots. Their company wasn’t large enough at that time to make the big deals. They grew because of all these orders that came in from everywhere. Later they designed many important weapon systems. It was really something to see.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;Henk, I would like to come back to the rifle design programs in more depth, later. If you share your experience as a collector with our readers, I am sure they would be interested. This may seem somewhat insensitive, but to obtain your collection must have cost a fortune; far above the income of a young Dutch boy who was on the Nazi death row.<br><br></em><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yeah, that’s about right. I have been very fortunate in my business decisions and made some very nice commissions. We can come back to that business later.<br><em><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;So, what was your passion?<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Collecting guns. Well&#8230;really the military guns. That was the start, anything military I could get. Later it was the Dutch firearms and I sold my military collection to Bonn, it was the beginning of the museum they have now in Koblenz. 849 of my guns are still there &#8211; even my Gatling gun &#8211; the beautiful brand-new Gatling gun with the carriage and the ammunition&nbsp;car.</p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="418" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/009.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-39963" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/009.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/009-300x179.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Series of six volumes that cover the Dutch firearms collection of Henk Visser in four volumes; Volume I Parts I, II, and III which total 2,173 pages on the Visser Collection of Firearms, Swords, and Related Objects; Volume II which covers the Visser Collection of Dutch Ordnance; the fifth volume is Dutch Guns in Russia; the sixth is Aspects of Dutch Gun making. All in all, an incredibly in-depth analysis and presentation of one of the most prolific firearms manufacturing regions in the world. Many of the Dutch guns are works of art in themselves and these volumes rank with the finest books on firearms ever printed.</em></figcaption></figure>
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<p><em><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;What was the Gatling, a British one?<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;No, an American one. The Colt 1883 model with the jacket around the barrel, and the tripod. One day in a military base, somewhere in America, near Picatinny I believe, a sergeant was cleaning up the attic, and he found this Gatling gun. It was brand new but completely taken apart, no one had ever looked at it. He went to his Colonel who said to get rid of it. And there, magically, was Val! (laughs) And who do you think bought it on the spot?<em><br><br><strong>SAR:(Dolf)</strong>&nbsp;Yes, Val would certainly have been there! (We are discussing the late Val Forgette of Navy Arms, another international arms dealer of the good old days.)<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;I knew Val very well and he sold the gun to me. Very cheap, I might add. It was really a big affair, and when I left NWM they wanted to take it, but instead I sold it to Bonn, and the Gatling is in their museum today. Two of the magazines disappeared, it is sad that there are always people in museums stealing things. There were many rare guns in the military collection. One that I thought was very rare was a 7.62 NATO Gatling gun from GE. I was the only private guy in the world who had a brand-new one.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;Gatling Gun, you mean an M134 Minigun?<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yes, I got it out of Vietnam&#8230;I had so much stuff there&#8230;.I was working for Dutch intelligence at the time, so they arranged for a Shell tanker to haul all the stuff I had gotten to Singapore. I had 10 RPG-7 anti-tank launchers, with 200 rounds of HE grenades. The Dutch and the Germans wanted to test them.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;And how about the testing?<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Well, we finally got the shipment and it had to go on the deck of a Dutch destroyer in Singapore. They loaded it from the tanker onto the warship. I had managed to get a lot of interesting items for the collection during my time in Vietnam. With the RPG-7, we had to do some testing for the government. They decided that this test they wanted to run was too big for them and they made a deal with the Germans, who did a tremendously detailed testing. They even tested the glue on the wooden cases, they checked the labels to see where they were made, in Russia or East Germany. I still have one RPG-7 and an inert rocket at home. I was very interested in the American M72 LAW. I once owned six LAWS.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;When did you get into the antique guns?<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Slowly I got more and more interested in the antique guns&#8230;I had always hated them, so crazy and ugly they seemed to me&#8230;but then, because of my historical interests, I decided to get rid of anything that was non-Dutch. I had the best automatic pistol collection in the world, all the early Mausers, Bittners, Schonbergers, Borschards, Gabbit Fairfaxes, etc, etc. I sold them all in one lot to Dr. Sturgess, a good friend of mine. He came to my place the first time and I opened drawers for him, and he started sweating, he was going crazy. He was&#8230;really, I’ve never seen anybody so excited by my collection.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;(Dolf) Even the Maxim automatic pistols came from you? I have them in my latest book.<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yes, Dolf, the Maxims as well! I was collecting automatic pistols when nobody was interested. I went to every gun shop in Switzerland where they hadn’t had the German occupiers to take everything, and there were a hell of a lot of people saying, “That old gun there, 150 francs and you can take it, with ammo too.” Those days are gone, you know. There was a gunsmith who I was talking about Lugers with, about how the prices of the Lugers had started going up, and he said, “You know, I have Luger serial number 0001, which was presented to my neighbor, an officer, in front of the troops.” It was the first Luger that the Swiss Army officially adopted. I said “That’s interesting, can I see it?” and he brought it to me in the holster. He said, “The normal price for this is 225 francs, but if you give me 275 then it’s yours.” Those were better days, you know? You would go into a gunshop and there would be a Mondragon rifle with special bayonet. It just doesn’t happen like that anymore.<em><br><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;Basically Henk, all the money you made you put into collecting guns?<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Everything. I had no capital, no shares; I only had substantial commissions from sales. Eventually I sold my pistols and all my special ammo to Geoff Sturgess&#8230;but&#8230;it’s like a sickness, you know? I was at the Las Vegas Antique Show and there was a very rare Dutch gun there. It looks like a single-shot pistol, but it’s a three-shot pistol with a little channel where the powder goes for the first, second and third shot, and there is a Maastricht mark under the barrel. It was from the Funderburg Collection, a very famous collection. It’s in a catalog. I bought it for a lot of money! It’s crazy!<br><em><br><strong>SAR:</strong>&nbsp;You’re preaching to the choir when you talk to Class 3 owners in the United States. You did a series of books on your collection of Dutch guns&#8230;.<br></em><br><strong>Visser:</strong>&nbsp;Yes, they are available commercially, but are out of print at the moment. The set weighs 22 kilos. Now I’m writing more books, one with the names of all of the Dutch gun makers, about 1,400 of them. Another book project that I was working on with two technicians, both specialists with Master’s degrees in History Drs. Martens en Drs. de Vries, was to write the story of Dutch weapons starting at the Napoleonic era. As these books were written in Dutch they will be translated into English and the 3 volumes will be condensed into one. There is another book in English, almost finished, about a very special German &#8211; who later became an American &#8211; Otto von Lossnitzer, the father of the modern aircraft revolving guns.<br><br><em><em>Look for a l<a href="https://smallarmsreview.com/interview-with-henk-visser-part-ii/" target="_blank" data-type="URL" data-id="https://smallarmsreview.com/interview-with-henk-visser-part-ii/" rel="noreferrer noopener">ink to the second half</a> of our <a href="http://smallarmsreview.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">smallarmsreview.com</a> interview with Henk Visser in an upcoming SAR newsletter when we look at Vietnam, Oerlikon, the changes to the Stoner 63 system and the innovative Mecar rifle grenade programs, as well as Visser’s work to restore Dutch firearms in Russian museums. – Dan Shea</em></em></p>


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					<description><![CDATA[interview by Dan Shea Dear readers of Raffica: On occasion a subject question becomes too large for our normal Q&#38;A format. When that occurs, we move to a &#8220;Raffica Special&#8221; and we are in that position right now. We have had so many questions regarding the operation of the RPG-7 system that the only way [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em>interview by Dan Shea</em></p>



<p>Dear readers of Raffica: On occasion a subject question becomes too large for our normal Q&amp;A format. When that occurs, we move to a &#8220;Raffica Special&#8221; and we are in that position right now. We have had so many questions regarding the operation of the RPG-7 system that the only way to properly answer this is with a &#8220;Special.&#8221; Since I have been working on a photo ID series of the various basic RPG systems for many years, and we were just preparing to do the ultimate worldwide ID Guide to these launchers, we decided to prep the readers with this How It Works guide first. Several other articles will soon follow including the RPG ID Guide and an in-depth analysis of the sighting systems. We hope this guide helps dispel many of the myths surrounding the RPG-7 system, and educates our readers to the basic functions and differences. &#8211; Dan</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="183" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-56.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16502" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-56.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-56-300x78.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-56-600x157.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Soviet RPG-2 launcher with strap, covers and grenade in firing position. This specimen dates from 1952.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Shoulder fired rocket launchers are nothing new. Neither are rifles with integral grenade launchers for that matter. In the 18th century, there were seven foot long flintlock style rifles that a rocket shaft was aligned in, and a transfer bar operated the flintlock mechanism located out at the front of the launcher. The buttstock, trigger group, etc., look normal, then the lock was out at the very front. There was another design from the same period where the buttstock was cylindrical and opened up at the shoulder end to make a cup style grenade launcher. The lock was able to fire either the musket barrel or the grenade launcher with the flick of a switch. The grenade launcher was used mortar style of course. These are mentioned simply to show that weapons designers have been making man portable launchers and hurlers for centuries. It is only in the modern times that we have fine tuned the process.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="207" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-55.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16505" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-55.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-55-300x89.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-55-600x177.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>People’s Republic of China Type 56 variant of the RPG-2. This is the 40mm straight tube launcher primarily used by the Viet Cong forces early on during the Vietnam War. It was referred to as the B40, and some B40s were made in North Vietnam. Later in the war- approximately 1967- the RPG-7 was used. This specimen dates from 1956.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The roots of the RPG-7 launcher can be found in the German Panzerfaust (literally &#8220;Tank-Fist&#8221; in German) of World War II. This was little more than a tube with a firing mechanism to launch a primitive warhead, but it gave the infantryman the ability to launch an explosive charge farther than he had been able to previously. Developments during and after World War II went in several directions, with some countries concentrating on the recoilless rifle principle and others looking more to shoulder fired rocket launchers.</p>



<p>In 1948-49, the Soviets introduced the RPG-2 system. The RPG-2 initially was a simple tube with a rocket propelled grenade that was fired from it. Behind the rocket was an expeller charge that basically threw the rocket forward from the tube, and then a pyrotechnic fuze fired the rocket itself when it was safely in front of the operator. The RPG-2 rockets were not reliably timed for firing so the accuracy degraded at distances beyond 100 meters. Stabilization came from six thin sheet metal fins at the rear of the rocket motor, which did a reasonable job for accuracy. The RPG-2 series had an expected range of 150 meters, so the sights were fixed ladder types with no allowance for adjustment. Later models had some modifications, such as a rudimentary blast shield at the rear to help keep any backblast away from the operator. This was neither a blast cone nor a venturi.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="640" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-49.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16507" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-49.jpg 640w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-49-274x300.jpg 274w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-49-600x656.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /><figcaption>Rudimentary blast deflector on the rear of this RPG-2 was designed as an afterthought to prevent any of the backblast coming forward onto the operator.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="472" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-51.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16508" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-51.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-51-300x202.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-51-600x405.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The RPG-2 round has a raised metal projection that indexes into a channel on the top of the RPG-2 launcher directly in front of the flip up front sight. Part of the assistant gunner’s job was to ensure that the round was positively in position when he loaded it. If it wasn’t indexed and seated, then the primer would not be in the proper position for the firing pin, resulting in a “No-fire” situation. Of all problems on the RPG series, lack of proper alignment is the cause of most failures to fire in the field.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The RPG-2 system was manufactured until its replacement, the RPG-7, appeared in 1962. The Communist Chinese built and distributed the B-40, an RPG-2 variant, and the Yugoslav&#8217;s built a much heavier similar launcher called the M57.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="276" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-44.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16510" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-44.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-44-300x118.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-44-600x237.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Dummy RPG-2 round with fins extended, and one type of dummy ejection charge underneath it. The ejection charge would be removed from packaging directly before firing and screwed onto the back of the round. The charges are very moisture and physical damage sensitive, but less so than RPG-7 charges.</figcaption></figure>



<p>It is strongly recommended against firing RPG-2, M57, or B-40 rounds as there has not been recent manufacture and the chemical compositions and fuzes are now untrustworthy. Unless the operator can verify recent manufacture, these should be avoided. The launchers themselves are simple mechanical devices so with fresh ammunition they would be fieldable. Antique, outdated and outclassed, but fieldable RPG-2 series grenades do not have timed safety self destruct fuzes, so a &#8220;dud&#8221; round will become a UXO (Un-Exploded Ordnance) hazard.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="664" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-40.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16513" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-40.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-40-300x285.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-40-600x569.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>RPG-2 fins extended. At the front of the fins, towards the nose cone, there are some spring steel wire rings. These are normally over the fins, holding them to the body of the rocket section. When the ejection charge is screwed on, then the grenade is inserted into the RPG-2 tube, these rings are pushed forward by the tube, and the six fins try to open. These fins exert outward pressure on the inside of the RPG-2 tube, and hold the grenade in place.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="607" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-29.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16517" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-29.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-29-300x260.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-29-600x520.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>If the RPG-2 round is removed from the RPG-2, the fins will extend. In this photo, the ejection charge has been unscrewed, and the fins are being manually held in. This shows that the fins can be held down enough to reinsert the round into the RPG-2 launcher (Ejection charge would be on for this). However, once the fins have been extended, and the operator desires to put the round away for storage, it would require holding the fins down firmly enough to slide the retaining rings back over them. This can not generally be done by hand. There is a cup shaped metal tool with six slots in it that can be slid over the extended fins, then rotated with the fin direction, folding the fins down. Once wound completely on, the retaining rings can be slid in place and the round can be stored again. Return to storage or carrier also depends on if there is any type of fuze safety involved (Later Yugo style) that must be replaced before storage.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>RPG-7</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="415" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-25.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16518" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-25.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-25-300x178.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-25-600x356.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Close up view of one of the signature appearances of the RPG-7 series; the Blast cone at the rear. This is actually a divergent nozzle, which will accelerate supersonic gases.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-23.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16519" width="580" height="149" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-23.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-23-300x77.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-23-600x154.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px" /><figcaption>RPG-7V, left hand view. This example is dated 1966. Note the much larger central tube section, the blast cone at the rear, and the addition of a second handgrip.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="187" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/010-19.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16520" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/010-19.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/010-19-300x80.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/010-19-600x160.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Right side view of a fully cutaway RPG-7V tube.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>For the purposes of this article, we will be discussing the Russian/Soviet made RPG-7 series: the RPG-7V and RPG-7D. There are approximately 29 different variations made around the world and SAR will be covering models and countries of manufacture at a later date in the ID Guide. Two of the most basic designs have been copied by many countries: the Soviet style and the Chinese style. The fastest way to tell which school the RPG came from is that the Chinese style utilizes a bipod, a shoulder rest, and has adjustable front and rear sights, while the original Russian model does not.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="525" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/011-16.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16521" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/011-16.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/011-16-300x225.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/011-16-600x450.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>RPG-7V trigger group with markings.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="350" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/012-12.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16522" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/012-12.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/012-12-300x150.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/012-12-600x300.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>On the right is the standard diameter of the 40mm tube. The rocket section fits here, and the expeller charge fits to the center of the expansion tube in the middle. This is one of the major upgrades in the RPG- 7 system. The base of the expeller charge seats into the narrowed section to the left.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="267" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/013-9.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16523" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/013-9.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/013-9-300x114.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/013-9-600x229.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>On the right of this closeup is the expansion chamber area. The expeller charge base slides in from the right and seats firmly into the narrowed section at the center. The foam plug at the base of the expeller charge actually seats there. This photo also shows the joint between the forward tube and the rear tube in manufacturing. Although this is threaded, this is not an armorer’s disassembly point as it is welded. Also, the narrowing at the joint is a venturi: a narrowing of the tube going to an increased diameter, which changes gas flow pressure direction and speed.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Several initial changes appear in the RPG-7 series. The example in these photos is the second variation, the RPG-7V. The &#8220;V&#8221; model is simply a bit smaller dimensionally, and lighter. The tube inner diameter remains at 40mm. Several manufacturing method improvements were instituted.</p>



<p><strong>RPG-7D</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="174" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/014-6.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16524" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/014-6.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/014-6-300x75.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/014-6-600x149.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Left side view of Soviet RPG-7D paratrooper take down version, manufactured in 1973.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="256" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/015-4.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16525" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/015-4.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/015-4-300x110.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/015-4-600x219.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Left side view of Soviet RPG-7D paratrooper take down version in the “carry” position.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="618" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/016-4.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16526" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/016-4.jpg 618w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/016-4-265x300.jpg 265w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/016-4-600x680.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 618px) 100vw, 618px" /><figcaption>RPG-7D locking latch that snaps into place when the tubes are properly mated together and ready to fire. If the tubes are not properly placed, the latch extension blocks the sear.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="326" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/017-2.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16527" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/017-2.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/017-2-300x140.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/017-2-600x279.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Male and female sides of the three lug interlocking section of the RPG-7D tube.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="507" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/018-2.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16529" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/018-2.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/018-2-300x217.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/018-2-600x435.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The RPG-7D safety latch extension is a rod that leads from the barrel connecting latch down to the sear area, and either blocks or allows the sear to operate.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="474" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/019-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16530" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/019-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/019-1-300x203.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/019-1-600x406.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The sear block is a sheet metal piece that fits around the firing pin well, and moves forward or backwards depending on the position of the locking latch.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="261" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/020-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16532" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/020-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/020-1-300x112.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/020-1-600x224.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The front and rear tubes are connected together with two bayonet lugs. Once locked into place, they are very securely attached. The hammer needs to be cocked and safety “On” in order for the rear tube to slide into place, or the trigger group needs to be removed.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="525" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/021-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16533" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/021-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/021-1-300x225.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/021-1-600x450.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The RPG-7D trigger group has a notch on the top right hand plate that fits around the sear block mechanism. Installation and removal of the RPG-7D trigger group requires more manipulation than a straight “on-off” like the standard groups. The operator needs to ensure the sear block mechanism is not compromised or bent when he installs the trigger group.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="630" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/022-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16535" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/022-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/022-1-300x270.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/022-1-600x540.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Standard Russian/Soviet style front sight. There are no adjustments. Chinese style front sights have drift and height adjustments. This is the only authorized position used for the front sight for firing an RPG-7.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The RPG-7D is the paratrooper&#8217;s takedown version of the RPG-7 system, which appeared in the early 1970s. There is a three lug turning takedown point with various safety features built in to avoid firing without the rear of the tube properly attached. There are two bayonet lugs used to attach the rear section to the forward tube, making for a much smaller package for jumping with.</p>



<p><strong>RPG-18<br>(Side block of four pics)</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="143" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/023-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16537" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/023-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/023-1-300x61.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/023-1-600x123.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>While the Warsaw Pact nations were pursuing the RPG series of shoulder fired rocket propelled grenade launchers that were reloadable, the US and her allies were concentrating on disposable single shot launchers; most notably the LAW M72 series of launchers. By the mid 1970s, the Soviets had experimented with their own disposable launcher, and it was called the RPG-18. There are numerous job specific RPGs of this style today; RPG-22, RPG-26, RPG-27, the Serbian M80. Essentially, the RPG-18 is like the LAW in most operational regards.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="323" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/025-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16538" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/025-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/025-1-300x138.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/025-1-600x277.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>At the rear of an RPG-18, just like in the LAW M72, there is a plastic tube with fast burning explosive powder in it that takes the mechanically fired primer gases and transmits the ignition to the rear of the rocket tube to ignite the propellant.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="323" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/025-2.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16539" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/025-2.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/025-2-300x138.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/025-2-600x277.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>There are two sizes of propellant strip in the rocket, that ignite in order.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="230" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/026-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16540" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/026-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/026-1-300x99.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/026-1-600x197.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Cutaway view of the shaped charge of the RPG-18, showing the similar design to the RPG-7; piezo nose fuze, rear firing fuze with explosive compound and tin coated copper cone for forming the jet.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>Aiming and Boresighting</strong></p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="439" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/027.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16543" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/027.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/027-300x188.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/027-600x376.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Rear sight on the Russian/Soviet style RPG-7 has only up and down movement. Chinese style has more adjustments.</figcaption></figure>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="378" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/028.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16544" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/028.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/028-300x162.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/028-600x324.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The rear sight is locked into either the up or down position with a leaf spring in the base.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The objective is to hit the target, and more specifically, to strike a crippling blow to the target. If the target is a tank or self-propelled gun, the goal is to take the gun out of action. Simply taking a tread or other immobilizing shot is good but keep in mind that the operators of the vehicle will be looking to return fire, and even if they are immobilized, if they can bring the main gun to bear then the RPG team is in danger as it takes 8-12 seconds to load another round.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="408" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/029.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16547" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/029.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/029-300x175.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/029-600x350.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Far left &#8211; Normal temperature firing position for the front sight is with the auxiliary sight snapped upwards into the fire position. Center &#8211; For firing under 0 degrees centigrade, the auxiliary front sight is snapped to the down, inactive position. This lowers the front sight peak, effectively raising the point of aim which is necessary due to rocket trajectory at lower temperatures. Right &#8211; Front sight in normal use. The white line is a photographic enhancement to show the difference the auxiliary front sight adds to the height of the front post. This is the standard temperature firing position.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Since the objective is to hit the target accurately, there must be a method of ensuring the sights and scope are in line with the bore. In both cases, this is accomplished by using a bore sight and a point of aim that is a minimum of 900 meters away. At the shop it is easy enough to have a set of blocks and a mount in order to immobilize the tube for this procedure, but field expedient tricks include sandbags and either a table or other flat surface. Remember to leave room with the bags for line of sight on checking the sights. This should be done by unit armorers and the operators as well, just like checking any other weapon sight when getting ready to fire. Well trained teams will constantly check their bore sight.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="347" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/030.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16553" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/030.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/030-300x149.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/030-600x297.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>RPG-7D showing the optical sight rail.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="241" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/031.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16554" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/031.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/031-300x103.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/031-600x207.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>RPG-7D with optical sight mounted.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The bore sight is usually composed of two pieces. They are both tubes and the front has a wire crosshair on it and this is inserted into the front of the tube. Some of these front pieces require the operator to put two strings on it to make the crosshairs making it possible to improvise this front section by crossing two strings over the front of the tube at 90 degrees to each other and securing them in place. As long as the crosshairs are centered, this is fine. The rear tube, if used, has either four slots with an open center, or simply an open center, that slides into the blast cone. Visually check from the rear aperture to the crosshairs in the front of the tube, and this will give you a bore center. It is quite possible to bore sight without the rear section, by moving back a bit further from the rear of the tube when sighting.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="414" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/032.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16556" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/032.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/032-300x177.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/032-600x355.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>RPG-7 standard optical sight left and right side views. Note the forehead brace above the eyepiece, and front cover in place. The optical sight has a magnification of 2.7x and a 13 degree field of view. The reticle can be illuminated from the battery on the left side with a simple on-off switch.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="532" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/033.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16557" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/033.jpg 532w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/033-228x300.jpg 228w" sizes="(max-width: 532px) 100vw, 532px" /><figcaption>RPG-7 standard optical sight, front view showing the two adjustment knobs.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>With the tube immobilized, the operator should fix the bore sight onto an object at 900+ meters. The object should have some distinct horizontal and vertical features. Once this is sighted, the mechanical sights can be checked. Russian style sights do not have much adjustment to them, but the Chinese family has full windage and elevation adjustment available. Bring the sights in line with the bore sight and the sights are aligned with the tube at all ranges. The scope itself has a single crosshair up above the sighting chart, distinct and by itself. This crosshair is to match the bore sight at 900 meters. Right and left windage and up or down adjustment are controlled by two dial knobs at the front of the sight. Full adjustment will be described in a later article.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="616" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/034.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16559" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/034.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/034-300x264.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/034-600x528.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Early style RPG-7 optical sight pouch contains spare bulbs, spare batteries, and various lens covers for low light, bright light, and haze, as well as the low temperature battery wire set. Modern sight carriers are molded plastic.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="617" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/035.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16560" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/035.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/035-300x264.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/035-600x529.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Low temperature battery wire set allows the operator to remove the battery from the optical sight and use it remotely. The battery fits inside the operator’s shirt pocket to keep body heat on the battery. The wire connects the battery to the optical sight. It is somewhat awkward but an excellent solution to low light/ low temperature situations. Don’t forget that the sight has an adjustment for low temperature aiming as well.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>The Controversial Optical Sight</strong></p>



<p>Optical sights are controversial because there are several schools of thought on this unit, and it does in fact take a lot of training and live fire practice to use the RPG-7 let alone the optical sight. SAR will be covering the sighting in depth at a later date. Suffice it to say that using this unit requires extensive training.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="691" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16564" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037.jpg 691w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037-296x300.jpg 296w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037-600x608.jpg 600w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037-100x100.jpg 100w" sizes="(max-width: 691px) 100vw, 691px" /><figcaption>Russian/Soviet-style sight reticle. Note that the tank height is defined at 2.7 meters. This is an average of NATO and Warsaw Pact height tanks, and the operator should be aware at all times what the enemy tank heights really are and adjust accordingly.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="691" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16566" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037-1.jpg 691w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037-1-296x300.jpg 296w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037-1-600x608.jpg 600w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/037-1-100x100.jpg 100w" sizes="(max-width: 691px) 100vw, 691px" /><figcaption>Chinese family optical sights have two tank height stadia. The left stadia labeled 3.0 meters is for US tanks, and it has a second, lower line for gauging the distance of human targets with the Chinese bounding frag round. It is also used for smaller vehicles. The right stadia labeled 2.3 meters is for Warsaw Pact style tanks. The Chinese also added a straight line stadia at the bottom for gauging distance using the length of a tank.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="641" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/038.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16568" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/038.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/038-300x275.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/038-600x549.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>This illustration shows the effect of crosswind on the flight of an RPG-7 grenade. It is the opposite of what one might think, and the opposite of the M72 LAW rocket. While the RPG-7 rocket is firing, the grenade turns into the wind, it does not drift with it. This is due to the location of the turbine and the fin stabilizers. Once the rocket motor has burned out, drift sets in and the grenade will travel with the wind. Distance obviously matters a lot in the planned point of aim, and the operator has to take into account where the rocket will burn out.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="508" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/039.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16569" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/039.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/039-300x218.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/039-600x435.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Percentage of hit comparison with 0 wind and 7 mph wind. This illustrates why in crosswind situations at longer distances, the operator will be concentrating on where the first round hits, because he will likely need to refine his aiming for a back up shot.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Advice is frequently given that an operator should immediately throw away the optical sight because it is too complicated for combat conditions. This is good advice if the operator is not going to receive a lot of the proper training; novices should stick to the iron sights. However, most RPG-7 operators are dedicated to this job and do receive a lot of training. If that is the case, the optical sight gives many advantages. Combined with a modern laser range finder, the optical sight can truly extend the range of the RPG-7 from its &#8220;point-blank&#8221; designated 300 meters to a full 500 meters, depending on wind conditions.</p>



<p>Again, experience with live fire is critical to the RPG-7 operator&#8217;s accuracy. In the US, it is difficult to get this experience due to our importation laws on explosives and the fact that the US military has a very wise policy of not allowing the firing of captured ammunition of this type. (In the event that there are US end users reading this who need to arrange live fire training outside the US, please see me after class. &#8211; Dan)</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="508" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/040-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16572" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/040-1.jpg 508w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/040-1-218x300.jpg 218w" sizes="(max-width: 508px) 100vw, 508px" /><figcaption>Understanding the basic RPG-7 Anti-Tank Round</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>The Wind Thing</strong></p>



<p><strong>RPG-7 Rounds</strong></p>



<p>There are many, many rounds on the market today. SAR will cover these at another time. For our purposes, we are going to take a look at the basic HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) round: the PG7B.</p>



<p>1) At the joint between the expeller charge and the rocket booster that is permanently part of the grenade, is the section that initiates the firing sequence. When the firing pin strikes the primer (located in the small threaded hole on the center side in this photo, but primer is missing) the primer ignites a train of events. Immediately the expeller charge to the left in this photo is ignited. The pyrotechnic pellet in the rocket booster is ignited when enough forward momentum has compressed the spring to the right in this photo, driving a second primer onto a fixed firing pin. This is a timed and blocked event- the rocket motor ignition delay is separated from the primer flash channel by solid aluminum. The pellet burns in a set time to ignite the rocket booster when it reaches 11 meters in front of the launcher.</p>



<p>2) When the primer ignites, the expeller charge is fired off by the black powder in the center of the expeller tube. The expeller main charge propellant is double base NC/NG placed evenly around the central tube, in between the folded stabilizer fins. This is all wrapped with impregnated cardboard and a glued, waterproof tissue. This section is extremely vulnerable to moisture, so it is important to only remove from the carrying case just prior to firing. The expeller in an RPG-7 is now in an expansion chamber that is larger than the 40mm tube, so the expanding propellant gases rapidly build pressure and exert it onto the grenade.</p>



<p>3) At the rear of the expeller charge is a hard foam plug. As pressure builds in the expeller chamber, the grenade has forward pressure on it and eventually this plug breaks up and the parts of the plug and any unburnt cardboard are expelled out through the venturi and the blast cone. Directly in front of the plug is an aluminum turbine that imparts rotation immediately as the grenade shaft leaves the expeller chamber and tube.</p>



<p>4) As the grenade leaves the RPG tube, it has been “boosted” out by the expeller charge. Forward motion allows the four stabilizer fins to extend out to the sides, and it is important to remember this when firing as there must be at least 8 inches of clearance above all obstacles in the flight trajectory. This is also a good time to point out another reason not to install the expeller cartridge onto the rocket and carry it around. If this is bent or damaged then the entire trajectory may be thrown off. The pyrotechnic pellet will burn through to ignite the rocket booster, as long as the spring held block is out of the way due to proper forward momentum. Propellant gases begin the booster action at 11 meters from leaving the tube of the launcher.</p>



<p>5) The rocket motor burns and the gases push forward into the nozzle block expansion chamber at the front joint just behind the grenade body. This chamber has six holes that point to the rear and outward, and the pressure from the gases blows out the seals and the six holes drive the grenade assembly forward during its assisted flight. It is important to note that the holes are canted in a direction opposite that of the rotation imparted by the fins. The spin rate imparted by the four fins is slowed after rocket ignition. This prevents overspin, and reduces spin degradation of the shaped charge on firing. Just behind the nozzle block is an elastic ring that holds the RPG-7 round in the launcher so slight downward firing is possible without the round coming forward and misaligning the primer and firing pin. When the rocket burns out, forward momentum keeps the grenade airborne until it reaches a target or approximately 900 meters where the safety fuze causes the nose cone area to explode. This does activate the shaped charge, although this author has observed many RPG-7 rounds that reached the five second mark, the safety detonated, and the shaped charge was still intact.</p>



<p>6) Cutaway view of the shaped charge. The piezo-electric nose fuze fires a spark plug system at the rear of the shaped explosive content. As the detonation wave moves through the explosive, the tin coated copper cone at the center is transformed to a high-speed, high-temperature jet of metal that penetrates up to 13 inches of steel armor.</p>



<p><strong>Arming</strong></p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="225" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/041.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16573" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/041.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/041-300x96.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/041-600x193.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Above Left:  Standard PG-7 nose fuze cover in place. Cover should not be removed until directly before firing, and whether the fuze cover and safety is removed before loading or after loading is local command doctrine. For a single operator it is easier to remove the cap and safety pin before loading. The fuze is rated to be safe for a three meter fall.  Above Center:  Remove the safety pin using the pull tape. Retain pin and cap in pocket in case of having to remove and store the grenade. Re-install in the same manner. Many operators keep a couple of sets of cover and safety pin in a front pocket, and simply discard the covers as they are used so they don’t have to be concerned under combat conditions about whether they have a cap and safety should they need it.  Above Right:  PG-7 grenade nose fuze ready for firing. The fuze contains direct pressure piezo electric firing as well as timed fuze self destruct capabilities. Some modern designs have a grazing hit feature.</figcaption></figure>



<p><strong>Firing sequence</strong></p>



<p>Firing the RPG-7 series of weapons is considered a two man operation: the operator and assistant gunner. Both should be proficient with the system and should have a lot of live fire training. The skills needed to hit a target with an RPG can not be gained from simple training drills, especially firing at longer ranges. When the RPG team is &#8220;hunting,&#8221; it is just as important to figure in attempting to conceal their position and the backblast signature from the enemy as it is to find good front cover. In the case of needing a second shot, the backblast will frequently have located them for the enemy. Aiming so that the rear of the RPG-7 is pointed around the corner of a large building or hill can help with this. A couple of safety points should be emphasized. Behind the tube, for about 30 meters, there is a 70 degree danger zone. Close to the tube is a kill zone. The operator and his A-gunner should always be ensuring that there are no obstacles, walls, etc within 2 meters behind the RPG. Good advice would be to make that at least 3 meters. Blastback can be quite deadly. Firing from inside a small room is to be discouraged. We at SAR have been told that there exists a video clip of an Iraqi insurgent firing an RPG-7 from a third floor window with the backblast hurling him forward out the window. If you have this clip, please forward it to us. It contains sage wisdom for all potential operators.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="355" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/042-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16577" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/042-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/042-1-300x152.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/042-1-600x304.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>This graph gives a good rule of thumb for the operator. Modern RPG=7 rounds all have self-destruct fuzes, and the fuze is set to go off at approximately 900 meters, or five seconds of flight time.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The operator and A-gunner will have worked together and developed their own method of communicating these sequences, but it is advisable for the A-gunner to be on the left of the operator and reach across to load. This may not always be practical, but it is part of many countries&#8217; training doctrine. Using today&#8217;s quality range finders is very important, as accurate range distance should increase first round hit probability. Once the pair have stalked their target, found range and target speed, and set up the firing position, the following sequence of events should occur:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>A-gunner visually clears the tube, then prepares the rounds to be fired, attaching the expeller charges.</li><li>Operator ensures the push through safety is to the right and the hammer is not cocked, then announces &#8220;Load&#8221;.</li><li>A-gunner loads a round into the tube, ensuring the index is properly occurring and the elastic gasket is snugly in place holding the round in the tube, then visually examines the backblast area for friendlies, to ensure there is no danger to the rear, and to ensure that various and assorted Operator and A-gunner appendages are out of the blast area. He announces &#8220;Clear to fire&#8221;.</li><li>Operator announces &#8220;Ready&#8221; and the A-gunner removes the fuze protector and arms the grenade (this may have been done before loading). A-gunner resumes watching backblast area for friendlies and gives warning to the operator if the situation changes.</li><li>Operator cocks the hammer, takes careful aim, pushes the safety to the left, then, squeezing the trigger, he fires. The operator then analyzes shot effect and decides whether to reload and repeat, or to depart the area with all due haste.</li><li>In the event of a misfire, the operator announces &#8220;Misfire,&#8221; then pushes the safety to the right and &#8220;On,&#8221; announces &#8220;Safe&#8221; and the A-gunner makes a fast visual inspection to see if the grenade was properly indexed or not. High probability in a misfire will be that the grenade was not properly seated. If that is the case, the A- gunner then immediately reseats the grenade and initiates checks. Operator fires again. If the grenade was in place, then the A-gunner should pull the grenade forward and visually inspect the primer for a hit. If no hit, try again. If there is a dented primer, then the grenade should be gingerly moved away from the area and left for EOD (on the range) or blown in place at the first opportunity if in the field.</li><li>If there is another misfire, then the A-gunner removes the grenade and inspects the primer. If there is no hit on the primer, then there must be a full check done on the pistol group and firing pin. The A-gunner should re-install the fuze cover and safety pin, then remove the round and unscrew and store the expeller charges and grenades in their carry cases. Under no circumstances should the expeller charges be left attached to the grenades and carried around. The reasons for this should be clear from the discussion of how the rounds work.</li></ul>



<p><strong>Defending against the RPG</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="427" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/045.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16581" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/045.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/045-300x183.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/045-600x366.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>View of cutaway RPG-7 HEAT round. On the right, the outer ribbed cone is the standoff, and it creates the outer path of the ignition circuit that continues the entire length of the warhead. Just underneath it, observe the inner cone that creates the inner electrical path. The space between them is an open air insulator area. This is the section that chain link fence defenses are intended to fracture, short circuit and disrupt.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>A couple of quick notes on defending yourself against RPG-7 attacks. Unfortunately, for most vehicles it is not practical to put up any fencing around the vehicle. Perhaps the best defense is high speed and evasive maneuvering. Don&#8217;t drive one constant speed or straight path. The other helpful hint goes to suppressive fire &#8211; keep their heads down. If you are hit, remember that a back up shot will probably be coming soon &#8211; within 8-12 seconds.</p>



<p>When an RPG-7 is fired towards your position, there are three basic signatures. The first and second are simultaneous: the flash and 30 meter blast area behind the operator&#8217;s position, and the flash to the front of the operator (minimal). The third is that approximately 11 meters in front of the operator, there will be a larger puff of smoke where the rocket motor kicks in. This is generally quite visible and a good basis for aiming return fire. If you are in the line of fire, just aim back into the area and suppress. If you are oblique to the line of fire (e.g. the RPG was firing at a vehicle in front of you) aim back 11 meters from the puff and put the hammer down on your guns.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="467" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/046.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16582" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/046.jpg 467w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/046-200x300.jpg 200w" sizes="(max-width: 467px) 100vw, 467px" /><figcaption>In this cutaway view, we can see that the firing pin at rest does not enter the tube, and when it does, the proper firing pin protrusion that it is capable of. This does not mean this is the proper firing pin protrusion when firing, just that it has not been interfered with. Since the hammer is under its own momentum when it strikes the firing pin and not under hammer spring pressure, the firing pin receives just enough pressure to solidly strike the primer. This obviously can not be seen in a complete launcher, but a quick view from the front looking down the empty tube towards a light surface will show whether the pin is operating properly. Press the firing pin in from the hammer view to ensure there is spring resistance. If no resistance, replace the spring.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>During the Vietnam War, US forces began building portable fencing structures on their vehicles. This was chain link fence or very tight barbed wire. The goal was two fold. First, the fence could catch the round in mid-flight, holding it and keeping it away from the vehicle. If the round then detonates it will not penetrate the armor. Most RPG-7 rounds are designed as shaped charges, so they need to be approximately two inches from the surface of the target when they go off, or they are ineffective. Rounds that have a self-destruct fuze will explode 5 seconds after firing, even if trapped in defensive fencing. This is a danger to soldiers who are unprotected. While the AT rounds are not designed as anti-personnel, there can be enough fragmentation and blast to kill or cause other casualties to those near the explosion. The second reason for the fencing is due to the manner in which the traditional RPG-7 rounds operate. There is a double cone in the front of the stand-off area. The space between the two cones is intended as the path for the peizo electric fuze to ignite the main fuze on the shaped charge. It is quite effective, but if the round strikes the fencing and this cone area is distended and broken, the fuze can&#8217;t operate. Newer rounds have a bypass system in place so the best the defender can hope for is to hold the round in fencing, away from the skin of the vehicle, when it explodes. Damage to unprotected personnel can be expected. In the event that the nose fuze strikes a strand of the fence, the round will detonate away from the vehicle, nullifying the shaped charge effect.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="372" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/047-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16587" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/047-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/047-1-300x159.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/047-1-600x319.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The firing pin plug is squared into its well when properly threaded into place. This is on an RPG-7D.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>Armorer&#8217;s Hints for the RPG-7 Series and the RPG-2</strong></p>



<p>Disassembly of the RPG series at the operator level is confined to removal of the trigger group, the heat shields, scope, and performing inspection and maintenance on these items. There are a number of cleaning tools supplied including a large brush and swab. The interior of the tube is chromium lined but needs frequent cleaning during use due to the corrosive nature of the powder in the expeller charge, as well as how the expeller charge operates. The charge has paper, foam, and burning propellant that is supposedly expelled through the venturi and to the rear, but on occasion particles remain that can either block the next round from being properly inserted, or lead to corrosion. Once the tube is cleaned, a very, very, light coat of oil should be applied internally.</p>



<p><strong>Firing Pin</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image is-style-default"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="448" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/048.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16588" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/048.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/048-300x192.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/048-600x384.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Firing pin plug has been threaded out using a common wrench. Damage can be seen on the plug from previous operators using improper tools that slipped off. The plug should be replaced in this condition. A very light coating of anti-seize compound should be applied to these threads.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="370" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/049.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16591" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/049.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/049-300x159.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/049-600x317.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Left to Right: Firing pin plug, firing pin with spring, firing pin cup. All parts should be inspected for wear, chipping, or breakage.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The firing pin location and projection are key to the operation of these systems &#8211; and are very basic. There is a double headed pin with a barrel body, which is held in a well in the bottom side of the launcher. One pin is smaller and is the firing pin. The other larger diameter pin is for the hammer to strike. The firing pin hole in the body is aligned with where the primer on the grenade body should be. Any misalignment or change in the extension of the firing pin into the primer will affect the reliability of the firing sequence. The firing pin is held in position by two pieces: a cup that is replaceable and locates the pin in the well, and a threaded plug that holds it into the well. The plug has a hole in it that mirrors the firing pin hole, allowing the striking end of the firing pin to face the hammer. The central body of the firing pin has a spring coiled around it, which keeps the firing pin from entering the firing pin hole unless the hammer has struck it.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="525" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/050.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16592" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/050.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/050-300x225.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/050-600x450.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Tip for reassembly: Once you have the cup, the firing pin and spring, and the plug in place, and have started threading the plug in, use a pin punch to ensure the firing pin can travel all the way in. Then, holding the punch in place, thread the plug in around it. Snug the plug square and just beyond hand tight.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>Disassembly of Trigger Group</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="525" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/051.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16596" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/051.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/051-300x225.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/051-600x450.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Trigger group from RPG-7V circa 1966 being removed by pushing the split take down pin out, then rocking the assembly downward.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="298" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/052.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16597" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/052.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/052-300x128.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/052-600x255.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>View from the rear of RPG-7 trigger group showing the push through safety extended on the left side. This is the “Fire” position.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Most shooters will recognize the internal parts design from numerous single shot hammer fired rifles and shotguns. The design is not unusual. The group is held in position by a fixed lug at the rear and a push through split takedown pin at the front. In the case of the B-40, the front is frequently held in by a screw. There are other variations and removal should be obvious by what method is used. There is a push-through trigger blocking safety, and the hammer is manually cocked. Once cocked, the safety is engaged; left to right from the operator&#8217;s view is &#8220;Safe&#8221; and pushing through from right to left is &#8220;Fire.&#8221; This can be accomplished using the inside of the index finger, which rests in that area when holding the grip. When the hammer is cocked, the sear engages it and holds it under spring tension from the hammer spring. Once the safety is off, and the trigger pulled, the hammer moves rapidly upward under tension, but it is the momentum of the hammer itself that causes it strike the firing pin. The hammer spring is mechanically kept from forcing the hammer all the way to the top of its cycle. There would be too much force in that case, thus the mechanical block. The cycle repeats.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="638" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/053-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16599" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/053-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/053-1-300x273.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/053-1-600x547.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>With the hammer in the fired position, remove the four flat head screws in the side panel and remove the side panel.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="457" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/054.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16601" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/054.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/054-300x196.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/054-600x392.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Remove the sear (flat spring) from the top of the group using a flat head screwdriver. Remove the grips from the group by unscrewing the single screw at the center of the grips.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Disassembly is in the following manner, with one exception. The early RPG-2 and B-40 type trigger groups may have the pin hole for the hammer spring removal in such a manner that the pivot and spring must be removed under pressure. Early armorers had a program to drill out a straight well so that once contained under pressure, the spring could be removed in that contained state and replaced on reassembly.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="404" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/055-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16605" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/055-1.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/055-1-300x173.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/055-1-600x346.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Trigger group with grips removed has been placed in a soft jaw vise for ease of disassembly. It is entirely possible to do this by hand, but the safety in particular requires three hands or a very experienced touch. 1: Hammer spring / Pivot removal well, 2: Hammer Spring, 3: Hammer Pivot, 4: Push through safety, 5: trigger retaining pin, 6: Trigger, 7: Sear, 8: Hammer.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="594" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/056.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16606" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/056.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/056-300x255.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/056-600x509.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Removal of the sear, if not done before putting in the vise.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="567" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/057.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16608" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/057.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/057-300x243.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/057-600x486.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Remove the trigger pin. It is a one headed pin that can only be inserted in one direction.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="464" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/058.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16610" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/058.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/058-300x199.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/058-600x398.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Depress the hammer about half way until the hole in the hammer pivot rod is below the base of the spring, in the removal well. Insert a pin punch or improvised tool into the hole, locking the spring in a compressed condition. This takes spring pressure off of the hammer.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="566" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/059.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16611" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/059.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/059-300x243.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/059-600x485.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Lift the hammer off of its pivot and remove it.</figcaption></figure></div>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="534" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/060.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16612" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/060.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/060-300x229.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/060-600x458.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Remove the hammer spring on the hammer pivot rod. Leave this held under tension for re-installation. If it is necessary to remove the spring, then use a vise and it is possible to re-install this by pressing against the edge of a table, but if possible, make a tool from small pipe with a channel in the side, then compress in a vise and insert a pin to hold the spring under tension. There is a standard tool for this in the operator’s kit, but it is frequently lost or tossed to save weight. Bad move. The tool is quite handy.</figcaption></figure>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="500" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/061.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16613" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/061.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/061-300x214.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/061-600x429.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Remove the safety and the detent and spring under it. On re-assembly, the spring and detent go into place, insert a flat head screw driver from the back of the group and hold the detent under pressure, while sliding the safety into place &#8211; pushing the screwdriver out of the way in the process. The safety is held in on one side by the rear wall of the trigger group, and by the removable plate on the other side.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="517" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/062.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16615" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/062.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/062-300x222.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/062-600x443.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Slide the trigger out of the trigger well. Reassembly is the reverse of these steps &#8211; always put the trigger in first, then the safety and detent.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="455" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/063.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16616" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/063.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/063-300x195.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/063-600x390.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>RPG-7V trigger group disassembled.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="525" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/064.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16618" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/064.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/064-300x225.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/064-600x450.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Soviet RPG-2 trigger group. Note that the pin hole has been elongated to allow for the removal of the hammer spring under tension.</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="499" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/065.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16619" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/065.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/065-300x214.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/065-600x428.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Chinese RPG-2 trigger group. Note that the pin hole has been elongated to allow for the removal of the hammer spring under tension.</figcaption></figure></div>



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					<description><![CDATA[By Robert Hausman Firearms importers and exporters were afforded the opportunity of raising their concerns with international regulation of the firearms industry during the recent United Nations arms conference held last summer. The industry addressed U.N. delegates through remarks made by our Firearms Attorney, who represents the import/export community’s two main trade organizations &#8211; the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em><strong>By Robert Hausman</strong></em></p>



<p>Firearms importers and exporters were afforded the opportunity of raising their concerns with international regulation of the firearms industry during the recent United Nations arms conference held last summer.</p>



<p>The industry addressed U.N. delegates through remarks made by our Firearms Attorney, who represents the import/export community’s two main trade organizations &#8211; the National Firearms Act Trade &amp; Collectors Association (NFATCA) and the F.A.I.R. Trade Group. The U.N.’s ‘Conference to Review Progress Made in the Implementation of the Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat, and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects’ has raised great concern on the part of industry as an attempt by the world body to institute global controls on its activities and those of its consumers.</p>



<p>“Our membership is concerned with the enactment of overly broad international regulatory programs that unnecessarily and adversely impact the legal trade in small arms and light weapons instead of focusing on reducing the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons,” our Firearms Attorney said. In addressing the ‘blanket approach’ taken by the U.N. to encompass all firearms in its regulatory scheme, our Firearms Attorney added that “the definitions currently utilized by the international community when referring to small arms and light weapons do not adequately distinguish between civilian and military firearms. Any policy that is considered should generally be aimed toward fully automatic military firearms.”</p>



<p>Noting that he himself is a registered broker, our Firearms Attorney urged that consideration of the world body of the definition of an “arms broker” not be as stringent as that in the U.S.</p>



<p>“The ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations), the regulatory regime in the U.S., was recently amended,” our Firearms Attorney noted, “to change the definition of brokering activities to include one or more predicate acts. By making it clear that simply one act, such as the financing of a defense article, constitutes brokering under U.S. law, and further, by these same regulations, stating that foreign persons ‘subject to U.S. jurisdiction’ are captured by brokering, you can see that a wide variety of people and conduct can be subject to regulation.”</p>



<p>Our Firearms Attorney argued that such a model is not necessary at the international level nor cost effective in attempting to curtail potential core problems in the small arms trade. He recommended that future U.N. work in this area be narrowly tailored to specific problem areas.</p>



<p><strong>Multi-Jurisdictional Overlap</strong></p>



<p>Our Firearms Attorney also addressed another potential problem area with U.N. regulation of brokering: multi-jurisdictional overlap.</p>



<p>Mentioning that current U.S. law extends U.S. jurisdiction very broadly in regard to brokering, our Firearms Attorney said, “If nations extend their jurisdictions in an overbroad manner, brokers will not be able to conduct transactions due to the sheer number of countries claiming jurisdiction over the broker’s conduct. A broker should only be subject to the jurisdiction of the nation of which he is a national or the nation in which he is truly conducting brokering business.”</p>



<p>Our Firearms Attorney also offered the industry’s view on the topic of establishing brokering norms. Before such norms can be established, he advised, there must be effective import and export regimes established in each nation involved in the shipment, transportation and receipt of firearms.</p>



<p>“Currently, too many nations have weak or non-existent import and export laws,” he said. “Addressing this issue before pursuing further brokering norms is key to the success of eliminating the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons.”</p>



<p>“While some believe that brokers are the primary force behind the movement of firearms, in most cases they are merely the facilitators of sales transactions between two interested parties already governed by the laws of the sending and receiving states. Therefore, brokering norms should be focused on who is able to facilitate a transaction instead of how the firearms themselves are being moved. The movement of the firearms is typically handled by the underlying parties to the transaction and is associated with a particular state. Because of this, placing the burden on brokers through the use of brokering norms will not be effective if the underlying import and export controls of each individual state are the source of the regulatory concern.</p>



<p>“When the preliminary step of improving the import and export regimes in each nation is accomplished, then brokering norms may be considered,” our Firearms Attorney continued. He went on to call for “reasonable” brokering norms that do not interrupt or interfere with the legal trade. “This necessitates that the definition of a brokering transaction be narrowly tailored to ensure that a transaction is defined as an actual transaction rather than, for example, the mere discussion of a possible future transaction.”</p>



<p>The Group of Government Experts within the U.N. will hold a fall meeting on the subject of brokering. Our Firearms Attorney closed by asking that they first consider the issue of establishing effective import and export norms within individual states before recommending international brokering norms.</p>



<p>The subject of international regulation of marking and tracing of firearms was addressed in remarks prepared by Richard Patterson of the Sporting Arms &amp; Ammunition Manufacturer’s Institute (SAAMI) as read by attorney Thomas Mason who is active in the World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting Activities.</p>



<p>SAAMI views the idea of marking the bullet and/or the case with a serial number (as has been advanced at the U.N.) “flawed” as it would not be possible to “ensure every number on every cartridge matched every number on every box” using the industry’s current production programs. It was added ammunition makers could not afford the capital investment required to make the idea workable.</p>



<p>The idea of marking cartridge headstamps with lot numbers has also been advanced. However, it was noted that ammo makers can sell parts of a lot to as many as 500 customers, each of whom break down their shipment to smaller quantities and sell to their own customers. In the end, small boxes of ammunition, though all marked with the same lot number, can be in thousands of different hands, making the marking exercise worthless as a law enforcement tool.</p>



<p>The UN Small Arms Conference ended after nine days on July 7th in deadlock with no formal conclusions or recommendations. In the final analysis, the complexity of the issue and the concerns of firearms owners as well as those expressed by the U.S. government representative (against a world-wide gun regulatory regime as well as the holding of future conferences on the issues of regulation) prevailed. No recommendations on ammunition, civilian possession or future UN meetings, or for that matter any other subjects, were adopted. The failure of this five-year program to impact the legitimate firearms industry, and the 2nd Amendment rights of U.S. citizens was total according to an analysis by the National Rifle Association of America. However, anti-gun non-governmental organizations as well as some governments served notice they would not give up and would present all of their issues to the UN General Assembly this fall.</p>



<p><strong>Micro-Stamping Bill Advances in California</strong></p>



<p>In another note on serializing, at press-time, the California Senate had approved AB 352, which, if passed by the Assembly, will require all manufacturers selling firearms in the state to micro-stamp the arm’s make, model and serial number on the firing pin’s tip.</p>



<p>Manufacturers argue the technology, owned exclusively by Hitachi Digital Imaging, is expensive and would add approximately $150 to the cost of every firearm sold in the state. To make matters worse, the Senate added last-minute language allowing the state to mandate serialization of all ammunition (including shotgun shells) “at a future date.”</p>



<p>Independent research performed by George G. Krivosta of the Suffolk County Crime Laboratory, Hauppauge, New York in the Winter 2006 edition of the AFTE Journal published by the Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners demonstrates how easy it is to remove the micro-stamp from the tip of a firing pin, using a power drill and hand-held grinding stone. Krivosta completely removed identifying numbers without removing enough material to render firing pins incapable of firing a round.</p>



<p>“The layman,” Krivosta writes, “believes that two bullets fired from the same gun are identical, down to the last striation. However, the trained firearms examiner knows that is far from reality.”</p>



<p>“The layman might also take as gospel that if you could find a way to place a number onto the tip of a firing pin, then you could certainly read it in the impression. Not until this research was performed and many test fires examined from a firing pin that had a known recognizable pattern, did it become apparent how much change could take place, and why matching firing pin impressions can be so challenging. This research has shown that implementing this technology will be much more complicated than simply burning a serial number on a few parts and dropping them into firearms being manufactured,” Krivosta noted.</p>



<p>“After multiple firings, the information becomes increasingly harder to read on the cartridges. The technical term for what happens is “peening” &#8211; the gradual and inevitable smoothing of raised surfaces from continued impacts. It’s the same process that flattens the heads of hammers and chisels.”</p>



<p>Krivosta also notes several firearms variables which would make the microstamp partially or totally illegible: Headstamping on rimfire and centerfire casings can interfere with the impression’s transfer; the hardness of centerfire cases necessary to handle their high pressures make impressions on anything other than primers difficult. Krivosta’s research says the option of tagging other areas have the same problems due to the movement of shell casings during the firing process. Tagging other areas might help identify individual firearm components, but would do nothing to tie ammunition to firearms, effectively defeating the purpose of the process.</p>



<p><strong>FATS, Inc. to be Acquired by Meggitt</strong></p>



<p>Firearms Training Systems, Inc. (OTCBB: FATS) executed a definitive merger agreement with Meggitt-USA, Inc., the U.S. subsidiary of Meggitt PLC, on August 23, 2006.</p>



<p>In the merger, the holders of FATS’ Class A Common Stock will receive cash in the amount of $1.08 per share for each outstanding share owned immediately before the effective time of the merger. The merger is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter.</p>



<p>“A strategic merger with Meggitt significantly advances our continued strategy of expanding our worldwide customer base, leveraging our strategic partnerships, and otherwise growing beyond our historical roots as a small arms training company to lead the industry in virtual training solutions,” said Ronavan Mohling, President and Chief Executive Officer of FATS. “Combining Meggitt’s strong development and commercialization capabilities in the aerospace and defense industries with FATS’ cutting edge technology in the virtual training solutions market, creates an excellent opportunity to leverage the significant strengths of both companies.”</p>



<p>The Meggitt group designs and makes high performance components and systems for aerospace and defense with capabilities in sensors, engine condition monitoring, avionics, air data systems, fire-proof cabling, ignition, environmental and fluid control, brakes and wheels and anti-skid systems, aerial and ground targetry, countermeasures and ammunition-handling. The group’s specialist capability is also deployed in the medical, mainstream industrial, test-engineering and transportation markets. At the end of its 2005 fiscal year, Meggitt PLC reported revenues of approximately $1.16 billion. North America accounts for just over half of Meggitt PLC’s sales. Meggitt-USA is the U.S. subsidiary of Meggitt PLC.</p>



<p><strong>Georgia CWPs Now Qualify as NICS Alternative</strong></p>



<p>On July 1, 2006 Georgia’s Concealed Weapons Permit (CWP) again qualified as an alternative to a National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) check.</p>



<p>In 1998, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms &amp; Explosives (ATF) sent an Open Letter to Georgia FFL-holders advising them that the Georgia CWP would qualify as an alternative to the background check required under the Brady Law. ATF’s recognition of these permits as a Brady alternative was based on the fact that Georgia met statutory and regulatory requirements for the exception permitted under the Brady Law.</p>



<p>In March 2004, ATF began a review of all states that had permits that qualified as NICS check alternatives to determine if they still qualified. In May 2005, ATF informed Georgia’s officials that the state no longer met the qualifications.</p>



<p>Georgia initially was not able to adequately address the deficiencies of the Georgia CWP in meeting the statutory and regulatory requirements for qualifying as a NICS alternative. Thus, on Oct. 17, 2005, ATF sent an Open Letter to Georgia FFLs stating that effective Oct. 19, 2005, the CWP no longer qualified as a NICS check alternative.</p>



<p>Georgia has since passed legislation, which took effect July 1, 2006, which addresses the CSP’s shortcomings in qualifying as a NICS alternative. Accordingly, the permit again qualifies.</p>



<p>Georgia retailers should note that if a firearms buyer presents a Georgia CWP, no NICS check is necessary. However, the required information about the permit must be recorded in question 23 of the ATF Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record. For questions call ATF’s Operations Branch, Tel: (304) 616-4200.</p>



<p><strong>KY Permits Qualify as NICS Alternative</strong></p>



<p>Kentucky FFLs should note that effective July 12, 2006, state Carry Concealed Deadly Weapon Licenses (CCDWL) issued on or after July 12, 2006 qualify as an alternative to a National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) check.</p>



<p>In 1998, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms &amp; Explosives (ATF) sent an Open Letter to all Kentucky FFLs stating Kentucky concealed weapons permits issued after Nov. 30, 1998, would not qualify as an alternative to the NICS check requirement. Kentucky recently passed a law, which took effect July 12, 2006, that changes the way CCDWLs are issued. The state asked ATF to review if the CCDWL now met the statutory and regulatory requirements for the NICS exception. ATF’s subsequent review found that based on the new law, any CCDWL issued on or after July 12, 2006, does meet the requirements.</p>



<p>As of July 12, 2006, when a firearms buyer presents the retailer with a Kentucky CCDWL issued on or after July 12, 2006, no NICS check is necessary. However, the required information about the license must be recorded in question 23 of the ATF Form 4473.</p>



<p><em>The author publishes two of the small arms industry’s most widely read trade newsletters. The International Firearms Trade covers the world firearms scene, and The New Firearms Business covers the domestic market. He also offers FFL-mailing lists to firms interested in direct marketing efforts to the industry. He may be reached at: FirearmsB@aol.com.</em></p>



<figure class="wp-block-table aligncenter is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td><em>This article first appeared in Small Arms Review V10N3 (December 2006)</em></td></tr></tbody></table></figure>



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					<description><![CDATA[By Chris Choat AR-15/M16 Spade Grips KNS Precision, Inc. introduces a spade grip attachment for the AR-15/M16 series of rifles. This grip is not molded plastic, but is fully CNC machined from a solid Delrin block. All steel parts on the new spade grip are parkerized. It comes with a complete CAR 6-position stock, buffer, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em><strong>By Chris Choat</strong></em><br><br><strong>AR-15/M16 Spade Grips</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="259" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-83.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16927" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-83.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-83-300x111.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-83-600x222.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Spade grip attachment for the AR-15/M16 series of rifles from KNS Precision, Inc.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>KNS Precision, Inc. introduces a spade grip attachment for the AR-15/M16 series of rifles. This grip is not molded plastic, but is fully CNC machined from a solid Delrin block. All steel parts on the new spade grip are parkerized. It comes with a complete CAR 6-position stock, buffer, buffer tube, recoil spring and plate. The grip is designed to be installed or removed in minutes and does not require any modifications to the host rifle. It will work on semi-auto or full auto rifles, drop-in auto sear or lightning link equipped AR-15s and, of course, M-16s. All parts are fully guaranteed. For more information or to place an order please contact KNS Precision, Inc., Dept. SAR, 112 Marschall Creek Road, Fredericksburg, TX 78624. Phone: (830) 997-0000. Fax: (830) 997-1443. They can be found on the web at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.knsprecisioninc.com./" target="_blank" rel="noopener">www.knsprecisioninc.com.</a></p>



<p><strong>DoubleStar Introduces AR-15 Patrol Rifle</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="209" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-76.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16930" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-76.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-76-300x90.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-76-600x179.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The brand new Patrol Rifle by DoubleStar Corp., a Kentucky-based manufacturer of AR-15 rifles and component parts.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The AR-15 has taken on a new identity in the form of a brand new Patrol Rifle introduced by DoubleStar Corp., a Kentucky-based manufacturer of AR-15 rifles and component parts. To meet the rugged requirements of the beat officer, this rifle is centered around a lightweight A-1 configuration 1 in 9 twist barrel, mounted on a forged flat top upper receiver. Although lightweight, this rifle is capable of MOA accuracy. A phantom flash hider, a useful tool for personnel control, is attached to the barrel. The Yankee Hill Machine four-rail hand guards allow unlimited versatility for attaching flashlights, vertical grips and other tactical components. Three low profile rail covers are standard. A GG&amp;G flip up MAD rear sight, Hogue rubber pistol grip, and DSC six-position M-4 buttstock are also standard. Various upgrades are available, such as a chrome lined barrel, two-stage trigger, H buffer and bipod to name a few. DoubleStar Inc. is an 8-year-old firearms manufacturer specializing in tactical weapons for the law enforcement, military and shooting sports markets. For more information please contact them at DoubleStar, Dept. SAR, P.O. Box 430, Winchester, KY 40391. Phone: (859) 745-1757. Fax: (859) 745-4638. Their website is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.star15.com./" target="_blank" rel="noopener">www.star15.com.</a></p>



<p><strong>Knoxx Industries Introduces Axiom Stock</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="368" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-76.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16932" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-76.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-76-300x158.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-76-600x315.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Axiom V/S Stock for bolt-action rifles by Knoxx Industries.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Knoxx Industries presents the Axiom V/S Stock for bolt-action rifles. This stock utilizes the acclaimed SpecOps recoil-reducing stock along with a CNC-machined billet all aluminum fore-stock for the absolute maximum in accuracy and stability. The Axiom V/S Stock is at home in the forest, on the competition bench or on the battlefield. Set the adjustable length-of-pull to the ideal setting in seconds and adjust as conditions change. Adding or removing a heavy coat will not be problem with the Axiom V/S nor will the addition of a tactical vest or body armor. The lightweight aluminum fore-stock is powder coated for all-weather use and features a highly tactile and aesthetic shape that is pleasing to the hand and the eye. Since each stock is machined to fit a specific action, additional bedding is not required. The Axiom V/S stock will draw out the full accuracy potential of your rifle without the punishing recoil found with most rifles. The Axiom V/S Stock will be available for most Remington, Winchester, Mauser, Ruger, Savage, Howa 1500 and Weatherby Vanguard rifles. The stock has a suggested retail price of $489.95. For more information contact them at Knoxx Industries LLC, Dept. SAR, 500 Linne Rd. Suite A, Paso Robles, CA 93446. Phone: (805) 227-4099. Fax: (805) 238-2069. Visit them on-line at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.knoxx.com./" target="_blank" rel="noopener">www.knoxx.com.</a></p>



<p><strong>New M2 Tripods and Kits</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="476" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-72.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16934" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-72.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-72-300x204.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-72-600x408.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>A copy of the M2 tripod is now available from Iron Creations LLC.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Now you can have that M2 tripod that you always wanted but didn’t what to have to shell out the big bucks for. A copy of the M2 tripod is now being built by a very talented individual by the name of Jeff Prater. These are not exact copies but they are very close and cost about 1/3 as much as original M2s are currently bringing. The tripods feature a head made of 12 gauge steel and legs that are made from 1 inch OD 120 wall steel pipe and square tubing. The legs are welded with 3/4 inch solid bar stock inside them for added strength. The pintle latch is made from 1/4 inch flat cold roll material and is spring loaded to hold the pintle in place. Each tripod has a steel pintle bushing welding inside. The feet of the tripod are formed from 12 gauge steel and the traversing rod is made from 3/4 inch round bar stock. The tripods can be ordered with or without a pintle and they can also be had complete ready to use or in kit form for the do-it-your-selfers. The tripods are sent out painted with a very heavy duty flat black industrial paint but can also be parkerized on special order. Retail price for the complete painted tripod is $250 without a pintle and $350 with a matching pintle. Call for kit prices. For more information please contact Iron Creations LLC, Jeff Prater, Dept. SAR, 1352 Shawhan Road, Morrow, OH 45152. Phone: (513) 535-4621. His website is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.ironcreationsllc.com./" target="_blank" rel="noopener">www.ironcreationsllc.com.</a></p>



<p><strong>B-Square Tactical Introduces Picatinny Rail Forearm</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="402" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-66.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16935" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-66.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-66-300x172.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-66-600x345.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Picatinny Replacement Forearm for flat-top carbine AR-15 firearms from B-Square.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>B-Square, the leader in a diverse offering of scope mounts, rings, and accessories is taking its new Tactical line designs to new latitudes with a carefully designed, easy to install, Picatinny Replacement Forearm for flat-top carbine AR-15 firearms. The most diverse addition to the all new B-Square Tactical products line, this Picatinny Replacement Forearm is not only the most secure, but also the easiest and quickest to install forearm on the market. Requiring no tools or gunsmithing, the unique design of this forearm allows the shooter to install it personally and provides a snug, careful fit providing the ultimate in accuracy for any attached accessory. Made from premium grade aircraft aluminum, this precisely-cut Picatinny slot design allows any accessories fitting a Weaver(r)-style or Picatinny rail a strong fit while still providing lightweight carry, even heat-dispersion and long life. Built tough for law enforcement and the military, the new Picatinny replacement forearm from B-Square Tactical and other B-Square Tactical products can be found anywhere law enforcement and military products are sold, or contact them at B-Square, Dept. SAR, 8909 Forum Way, Fort Worth, TX 76140. Phone: (817) 923-0964. Fax: (817) 926-7012. Their website is www.b-square.com.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[By Robert Bruce “The one down there with the pistol grip, that was the one I carried in Vietnam; the early version. Andy Grandy of Frankford Arsenal designed that. He called me and I went up there and shot it. He put the loader extension on it so it held eight rounds. With that duckbill [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em><strong>By Robert Bruce</strong></em></p>



<p><em>“The one down there with the pistol grip, that was the one I carried in Vietnam; the early version. Andy Grandy of Frankford Arsenal designed that. He called me and I went up there and shot it. He put the loader extension on it so it held eight rounds. With that duckbill at roughly thirty meters you hadda two foot high, twelve foot wide pattern using Number Four buckshot.” Retired US Navy Chief Petty Officer James “Patches” Watson, Curator Emeritus, UDT-SEAL Museum<br><br>(Editor’s note: It’s one thing to visit a military museum, but another thing entirely to get one-on-one guided tours by the museum’s Curator Emeritus, as well as its Executive Director. In this report by Military Affairs Editor Robert Bruce, SAR is pleased to provide our readers with what might be considered the next best thing. Small Arms Review is known and apparently respected by influential members of the UDT-SEAL Museum’s board and staff. As a result, our customary request for special access &#8211; including a close look at important artifacts currently on display and others in the holding safes &#8211; was enthusiastically supported. Special thanks to Association President Willard Snyder, Executive Director Mike Howard, Curator Emeritus James Watson, and Curator Ruth McSween, for taking the extra time and trouble. &#8211; Robert G. Segel)</em></p>



<p>The Chief was standing in front of the museum’s Vietnam War diorama, reminiscing in his distinctively husky and New Jersey-accented voice about three combat tours there, pointing out and describing to this correspondent a particularly important one of the many interesting weapons on display.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="581" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-86.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16962" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-86.jpg 581w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-86-249x300.jpg 249w" sizes="(max-width: 581px) 100vw, 581px" /><figcaption>Legendary SEAL Chief James “Patches” Watson, now the museum’s Curator Emeritus, cradles “Sweetheart,” the Ithaca Model 37 shotgun he personally modified and carried on numerous combat missions in Vietnam. Watson, author of several well-known books based on his extraordinary wartime service, gave SAR a VIP behind-the-scenes tour that included a chance to examine some extraordinary weapons and other artifacts in the museum’s safes. “Sweetheart” is now a permanent part of the museum’s collection, always on display in the Vietnam diorama. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>While a casual observer might consider the crudely chopped scattergun with only passing curiosity, the bearlike, 69 year old retired SEAL calls it his “Sweetheart.” Watson spoke with great affection about how this beautiful example of deceptively simple form and decidedly lethal function came to be and how it performed in the ultimate arena of combat.</p>



<p>Such a moment is of inestimable value to those who appreciate the presentation of military history through actual artifacts with a direct link to men who carried them in war. This is “provenance” at its finest, a ten dollar word in the museum culture that simply translates to “origin.”</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="172" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-78.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16968" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-78.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-78-300x74.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-78-600x147.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>&#8220;Sweetheart,” the modified 12 gauge Ithaca Model 37 Featherweight pump-action riot shotgun Chief James “Patches” Watson personally customized and carried in combat as a member of SEAL Team Two in Vietnam. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The story of this stubby shotgun first caught our imagination in reading the books&nbsp;<em>Point Man</em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>Walking Point</em>, Watson’s gripping narratives recounting his experiences as a “plank owner” (original member) and combat veteran of SEAL Team Two, written in collaboration with frequent&nbsp;<em>SAR</em>&nbsp;contributor Kevin Dockery.</p>



<p><em>My duckbill-modified, pistol-grip Ithaca became my “Sweetheart” during my second and third tours in Vietnam. The lack of a stock never bothered me because I would normally carry a shotgun only when I expected to be in close quarters. Close up, I could point my shotgun from the waist and blow away any target I had in front of me out to twenty or thirty yards without any trouble.</em>&nbsp;(Excerpted from the book Walking Point, Copyright 1997, Bill Fawcett &amp; Assoc. Used by permission.)</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="652" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-77.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16969" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-77.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-77-300x279.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-77-600x559.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>&#8220;Birthplace of the Navy Frogman,” The UDT-SEAL Museum is located on Fort Pierce, Florida’s Hutchinson Island, on the original WWII training site for the Navy’s Combat Demolition Units. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Now,&nbsp;<em>SAR</em>&nbsp;was privileged to see, and later to handle and photograph, this very weapon in the presence of its near-legendary SEAL owner. Also, to make an audio tape recording that captured for future generations “Sweetheart’s” story and much more in Watson’s own words. This interview, we’re told, will join many other recordings in the museum’s archives, preserving oral history of US Navy special warriors from WWII to the present.</p>



<p>But that’s getting ahead of the main story, a tour of a uniquely fascinating modern military museum.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="450" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-73.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16974" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-73.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-73-300x193.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-73-600x386.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The PBR &#8211; Patrol Boat Riverine &#8211; is an icon of the “Brown Water Navy” in the Vietnam War. The museum has two fine examples undergoing restoration and replica .50 caliber M2HB machine guns have recently been added on the shielded fore and aft mounts. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>Birthplace of the Navy Frogmen</strong></p>



<p>Anchored on the very beach where the largely unknown NCDUs &#8211; Naval Combat Demolition Units &#8211; of WWII began a heroic saga that continues even today, the small but superb UDT-SEAL Museum in Fort Pierce, Florida, opened in November 1985 with Watson at the helm. Now, after twenty plus years of improvements and additions &#8211; as well as repairs and restorations following numerous savage storms &#8211; visitors enjoy an extraordinary feast of hardware and history.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="461" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-67.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16975" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-67.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-67-300x198.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-67-600x395.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>An early version of the sleek Mark 9 Swimmer Delivery Vehicle, an electrically powered two-man “wet submersible” active during the 1980s. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The museum itself, its original structure a visually striking, brilliant white cylinder with a spiral ramp to a rooftop observation deck, is surrounded by a large fenced compound protecting an exciting assortment of historic vehicles used in naval operations on land, sea, air, and beyond. A pedestal mounted Huey helicopter, icon of the Vietnam War, seems to have just taken off, straining for altitude above mini subs, riverine and oceangoing craft, dune buggies, and &#8211; seemingly out of place to those who don’t know why &#8211; a pair of space capsules.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="461" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-55.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16977" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-55.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-55-300x198.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-55-600x395.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Dominated by the golden Trident insignia of today’s Sea, Air, Land warriors, a dramatic mural by artist Pete Carolan shows Underwater Demolition Teams in action. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The eye sweeps along its virtual flight path toward the nearby Atlantic Ocean, close enough to hear waves breaking and to catch the strong and evocative scent of seawater, carried inland on the steady Tradewinds.</p>



<p>It is from this dazzling white sand beach and clear blue waters that silent sentinels in concrete and rusting steel were recovered from the surf zone. More than a dozen original beach obstacles from WWII, used in demolition training to prepare for the epic invasion of France known as D-Day, now line up alongside the museum.</p>



<p>Wide pathways lead the visitor from one display to another, bordered with hundreds of emotionally powerful memorial bricks. Look closely and find the names of heroes of Naval Special Warfare like Roy Boehm, “The First SEAL.” Additional bricks display other names, and are available to all who support the museum’s mission.</p>



<p>We walked the verdant and well-kept grounds with current Executive Director Michael Howard, a friendly, energetic and wiry 50 year old retired Navy Captain with over 26 years of service including SEAL Team One and command of several Naval Special Warfare units. Howard appreciates this historic location but also notes the daunting environmental challenges that come with it including high temperatures, salt air with humidity, extreme winds, and frequent torrential rains.</p>



<p>Most recently, he said, “Hurricanes Frances and Jeanne hammered us and the whole place was almost destroyed. Boats actually got up and floated. All these are in different positions now than before the hurricanes.”</p>



<p>The Huey was particularly hard hit, he said, with the tail boom breaking off and other extensive structural damage. “New Piper Aircraft, up in Vero Beach, took on the repair project at no cost. They restored it and, with the help of Kauff’s Transportation and Recovery, we got it remounted on the pedestal.”</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="467" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-41.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16979" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-41.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-41-300x200.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-41-600x400.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>This Japanese flag, called a “meatball” in the GI slang of the time, was stenciled with “Underwater Demolition Team 24” early in the postwar occupation. It hangs above a tripod-mounted Japanese 7.7mm Type 92 heavy machine gun, possibly a war trophy also. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Pointing to the museum’s two Vietnam War era PBRs (Patrol Boat, Riverine) and a pair of current issue DPVs (Desert Patrol Vehicles), the Captain spoke of plans to improve on these already impressive displays. “One of the projects we’re working on is getting weapons on these boats and vehicles,” he said, hastily adding, “fake weapons.”</p>



<p>“We think that’s important to make the displays a little more dynamic, realistic looking, with more punch,” he said. “That’s what SEALs and boat guys and helicopters supporting them are all about &#8211; firepower.”</p>



<p>Since then, we’re told that highly realistic replica .50 caliber M2s have been bought and installed. Wisely, these are made with durable polymer resin that won’t corrode in the harsh salt air and, in this day and times, have the essential advantage of being completely inert.</p>



<p><strong>A Proud Beginning</strong></p>



<p>The Executive Director’s tour moved inside where walls of the main hallway are covered with impressive plaques listing units and personnel from the first NCDU in 1943 to the Plank Owners of SEAL Teams One and Two. These frame the entranceway to the World War Two gallery, heralded by an imposing wall-sized photo enlargement showing men of NCDU 200 during training at Fort Pierce in 1944.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="465" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-35.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16982" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-35.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-35-300x199.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-35-600x399.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>One of several Dioramas inside the museum. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Stepping a few feet inside, Howard paused in an area flanked by illuminated display cases containing individual mannequins representing the rapid evolution in WWII from NCDUs and Scouts and Raiders to UDTs (Underwater Demolition Teams). Each is authentically uniformed, equipped and armed, he said, often with items donated to the museum by actual veterans of the period or their families.</p>



<p>The Hagensen (sic) Demolition Pack is common to all, a generic name given to variations based on a clever field expedient explosive charge with two pounds of pre-rigged C2 packed in a canvas haversack for land or underwater use. The original is credited in official Navy D-Day documentation to Lieutenant (j.g.) C. P. Hagenson (note “son” with an “o”).</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="456" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-32.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16987" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-32.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-32-300x195.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-32-600x391.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The 40mm Mark 20 Mod 0 (left) and Mark 18 grenade machine guns are Vietnam War predecessors to the Mark 19 that is still in use today. The automatic-cycling MK 20 was a significant improvement over the hand-cranked MK18, although both were limited by the low-velocity rounds designed for shoulder firing from the M79. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Also notable in this section is a tribute to Lieutenant Commander Draper Kauffman, “The Father of Naval Combat Demolition,” who set up NCDU training at Fort Pierce in June of 1943.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="454" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/010-23.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16988" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/010-23.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/010-23-300x195.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/010-23-600x389.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>An exhibit of beach defenses common to both Europe and the Pacific includes these rusting remains of some original WWII training replicas that were recovered in 1991 from the Atlantic Ocean surf zone just a couple hundred yards away. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Moving around the gallery, Howard acknowledged&nbsp;<em>SAR</em>’s obvious bias by pointing out numerous examples of American and enemy weaponry. All of the standard Navy and Marine Corps small arms have honored places, from the M1911 .45 auto pistol through ’03 and M1 rifles, the M1 carbine, Thompson submachine gun, as well as John Browning’s famous BAR and his unstoppable M1917A1 machine gun.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="461" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/011-20.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16993" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/011-20.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/011-20-300x198.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/011-20-600x395.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>A particularly compelling exhibit element in the museum is this ghostly holographic photo of a member of SEAL Team One in the 1980s armed with an MP-5 submachine gun. Illuminated by the focused beam of a high-intensity light, the nearly life-sized three-dimensional image changes position as the viewer moves from side to side. It was made and donated by the Oceanic Division of Westinghouse Electric Corp. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>As counterpoint to standard US firearms, we were pleased to find nice examples of German P38 and Luger pistols, as well as an MG34 machine gun, prominent in the D-Day case.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="191" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/012-14.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16995" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/012-14.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/012-14-300x82.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/012-14-600x164.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The Navy’s famed China Lake, California facility developed and built a small number of these EX-41 “Pumper Thumpers” at the request of SEALs operating in Vietnam. The idea seemed a good one &#8211; give the single shot M79 grenade launcher a three round tubular magazine and slide action for instant repeat shots when things got hot. Combat experience showed the weapon to be impractically heavy and it wouldn’t reliably feed the flat-ended XM576 buckshot round. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Japanese weaponry is similarly in evidence, including a representative Nambu pistol and Arisaka rifle. Most impressive to many visitors is the large, radiator-finned Type 92 heavy machine gun, dramatically posed beneath a Japanese battle flag. UDT 24 autographed this flag while occupying Japan, post surrender.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="469" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/015-7.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17002" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/015-7.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/015-7-300x201.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/015-7-600x402.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>This battle-damaged Chinese Type 54 clone of a Soviet DShKM 12.7mm heavy machine gun was taken from an Iranian terrorist gunboat captured by Naval Special Boat Units and SEALs in the Persian Gulf, circa 1987. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/013-12.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-16997" width="580" height="383" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/013-12.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/013-12-300x198.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/013-12-600x397.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px" /><figcaption>Gordon Ingram’s brilliantly compact and fast-firing MAC-10 found favor with Navy SEALs in the 1970s, particularly when equipped with a suppressor. The museum’s MAC is a 9mm Powder Springs version. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Also prominently displayed is a Samurai sword, formally surrendered by General Tomoyuki Yamashita after losing the battle for the Philippine Islands in 1945. While it was believed for many years that this was the general’s own priceless family heirloom sword, recent expert examination showed otherwise. Howard speculates that, anticipating the inevitable, the canny general sent his home, appropriating one from a junior officer to hand over to the Americans. Both the original surrender document and Samurai sword were presented to the Museum by Draper Kauffman’s family.</p>



<p><strong>North Gallery</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="465" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/014-8.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17001" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/014-8.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/014-8-300x199.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/014-8-600x399.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>After manufacturing rights to his seminal AR-15/M16 design were acquired by Colt, firearms genius Eugene Stoner moved on to develop a family of 5.56mm modular weapons including the belt fed Mark 23 Mod 0 light machine gun (top) and the magazine fed Stoner 63A assault carbine. The Mark 23 is readily identified by its short, fluted barrel with stainless steel gas tube, an under-the-foregrip charging handle, and fixed polycarbonate stock. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Moving ahead in time from victory in WWII and the Occupation of Japan, SAR’s VIP tour continued in the North Gallery with Chief Watson taking over duties at the Korean Conflict wall, fronted by a tripod-mounted .50 caliber Browning M2HB machine gun. This awesome example of John M. Browning’s genius was fielded in the 1930’s, then served with distinction in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. Remarkably, it is still going strong today on Naval Special Warfare Combatant Craft.</p>



<p>The large and menacing machine gun is intentionally set on a boxlike riser at knee height. This, the Chief says, encourages visitors to reach out and touch the gun, a significant departure from the rules at most museums and a particularly memorable experience for many in the school groups and others that regularly visit.</p>



<p>Watson told us that Korea was where UDTs started doing many of the things that would later become SEAL missions, “Going behind enemy lines and attacking fuel depots, bridges and railroad yards.”</p>



<p>The North Gallery’s tightly packed displays of photos, equipment and weapons from Korea to the present Global War on Terror are strongly enhanced by a video presentation on Basic Underwater Demolition School. BUDS is the hellish entry ordeal that all aspiring SEALs must successfully complete. Repeating automatically at regular intervals on a wall-mounted monitor, its sounds of pounding surf, straining men, screaming instructors, throaty cadence chants, gunfire, and explosions fill the gallery, bringing to life the harsh world in which these silent artifacts have served.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="319" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/016-7.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17004" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/016-7.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/016-7-300x137.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/016-7-600x273.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The North Vietnamese K-50M is an excellent example of how a classic WWII Soviet design, the PPSh-41, got modified to better suit local conditions of manufacture and tactical employment. Weight and length reduction comes from a sliding wire stock plus shorter barrel and cooling shroud. More reliable feed comes from the use of 30-round “stick” mags vs. the original’s bulky drum. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The evolution of diving gear for waterborne combat operations is well represented and the museum is particularly proud to have a fine example of the Lambertson Amphibious Rebreather. A “closed-circuit rig” that doesn’t release telltale bubbles, it was introduced in the latter part of WWII for OSS Maritime Units and UDTs.</p>



<p><strong>Walls of Weapons</strong></p>



<p>Noting our quick glances over his shoulder during the introduction to Aqua Lungs and such, the Chief &#8211; who definitely shares SAR’s intense appreciation for weapons of all kinds &#8211; quickly moved on to the primary focus of our visit. Guns are what we want, and the museum has got plenty of ‘em.</p>



<p>Several large Plexiglas-faced displays are filled with 20th Century military firearms, enticing the visitor to move up close for an intimate encounter. The tall, shallow cases allow examination literally inches from exotic and unusual pistols, submachine guns, rifles, grenade launchers, and more. Read serial numbers, see selector markings, note mechanical details, almost smell the gun oil&#8230;.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="444" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/017-4.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17005" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/017-4.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/017-4-300x190.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/017-4-600x381.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>This display of an “Early Model Suppressor” for the M16, formally known as the Mark 2, is greatly enhanced by inclusion of a cutaway showing exactly how its simple internal configuration provides noise and flash reduction as well as sound directional confusion in a weapon that fires supersonic ammunition. Details such as this speak well of the museum’s commitment to preserving and presenting both historical and engineering details. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Standing in front of the first case, containing a variety of allied and enemy weapons from the Vietnam War era, Watson recalled his time in preparation for SEAL Team Two’s deployments when, at the prophetic insistence of Team Chief Bob “The Eagle” Gallagher, “We trained with these because you never know if you’re gonna hafta pick one up and use it because you ran outta ammo or something happened to yours.”</p>



<p>The two weapons at the top were ChiCom copies of the RPG-2 (NVA B-40) launcher and generic AK-47 with underfolding spike bayonet. Four submachine guns lined up underneath; an M45b “Swedish K”, French MAT-49, and a Russian PPSh-41, nicely paired with the North Vietnamese K-50M that’s made from it by chopping the barrel and cooling shroud then replacing the fixed wooden stock with a telescoping wire version.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="465" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/018-4.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17008" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/018-4.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/018-4-300x199.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/018-4-600x399.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Although generically an AK-47, Watson’s extraordinary souvenir of his deadly encounter with its NVA owner is a Chinese clone, properly designated as a PRC Type 56. Note the damage to the magazine and stock from multiple hits of Number 4 pellets from Watson’s 12 gauge Ithaca Model 37 pump shotgun. “With all that damage that magazine still fed completely,” Watson said. The PRC Type 56 shows Chinese characters and the number 66 in a triangle, indicating the factory it was made in; very early production as evidenced by the serial number 1070. Watson believes this to be the first combat-captured AK from the Vietnam War. The stock on the right side shows dramatic exit holes blown by passage of Number 4 shotgun pellets on their way into the NVA soldier. Note the prominent selector lever over the trigger guard, moving in sequence top to bottom from SAFE to AUTO to SEMI. Watson believes his victory in the gunfight hinges on the enemy’s mistake of excitedly pushing the selector all the way down to SEMI and getting off only one round, “If he hadda been on automatic, I wouldn’t be here talking to you.” (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The Chief doesn’t hold the K-50 in high regard, citing at least one he fired with an apparent sear problem. “Hang on ‘cause it wasn’t gonna stop ‘till it was empty,” he said. “Definitely a piece of junk.”</p>



<p>But a big smile appeared when we stepped in front of the next case and he pointed out several of the US weapons his team and others used in ‘Nam. In addition to an early version M72 LAW (Light Antitank Weapon), there were three grenade launchers on display that he heartily approved of. A 40mm M79 “Thumper” often accompanied the Chief as a STAB (SEAL Team Assault Boat) coxswain on riverine missions, and his team got some of the first underbarrel-mounted CGL-4/XM148 launchers off Colt’s assembly lines.</p>



<p>The last of the trio is the exceedingly rare “China Lake Pump,” serial number 4 of a total run said to be only sixteen guns. This is an imposing cross between an M79 and a pump shotgun that allowed the grenadier four quick rounds when things got really hairy.</p>



<p>Of course the Chief has a story to go with the weapon. “When I went back to Vietnam in 1996, serial number 13 was hangin’ on the wall in their war museum,” then added with a knowing look, “I tried to find out who lost that but was unsuccessful.”</p>



<p>The enthusiasm level kept rising as we moved to behold yet another weapons case, this one filled with belt-fed machine guns. The topmost weapon is an HK 23, a sturdy but heavy West German-made 5.56mm that the Chief notes was combat tested by a Team Two buddy, the late John “Fly” Fallon.</p>



<p>But, he says, it didn’t stack up to Gene Stoner’s lighter, compact and modular guns. “Stoner designed a system &#8211; a rifle and machine gun combination,” he said, putting emphasis on the word system.</p>



<p>“When I went into Cambodia &#8230; I’d take the stock off it and use the short barrel. You wanted to make everything as light and small as you could.” The system aspect of Stoner’s guns is well presented in the three variants on display, showing how a basic receiver group can be reconfigured with various barrels and feed mechanisms. A 63A assault carbine version with folding wire stock and 30-round magazine is sandwiched between two belt-feds. Above is a Mark 23 Mod 0 with a generous 150-round drum and below is a 63A1 with a 100-round box.</p>



<p>(<em>SAR notes that at least one of the Stoners and a good number of the other weapons on display are on long-term loan from the Naval Historical Society’s fabulous holdings. See Robert Bruce’s NHS feature in Volume 7 Number 1.</em>)</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="465" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/019-4.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17015" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/019-4.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/019-4-300x199.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/019-4-600x399.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>26 March 1968, Tan Dinh Island, Republic of Vietnam. Wearing a jaunty tiger-striped beret, this SEAL keeps his 150-round drum-fed Stoner 63 at the ready while the rest of his squad prepares demolition charges on a VC bunker. Note the right side charging handle and the spring loaded dust cover is closed over the ejection port to minimize dirt entry. (US Navy/National Archives)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>Silencers vs. Suppressors</strong></p>



<p>A bit incongruously sharing this machine gun case is an M16A1 with one mounted suppressor and another below, teamed with its cutaway version to reveal the engineering secrets inside. These prompted a quick lesson from the Chief, enlightening those handicapped by Hollywood-generated ignorance. “There’s no such thing as a silencer,” he declared, “every weapon makes some noise in functioning &#8211; even a bow and arrow.”</p>



<p>Pointing to the Mark II suppressor and its cutaway on display, he added, “When you use this one without subsonic ammo you’d hear the crack of the bullet when it broke the sound barrier. But it creates deception in locating the direction somebody’s shooting from. If we’re standing here and (points left) a guy’s out there shooting with a suppressed M16, you’d think he was over there (points right) ‘cause what you’d mostly hear is the bullet breaking the sound barrier.”</p>



<p><strong>Shotguns, Shorties and Starlight</strong></p>



<p>Then, turning to his left, Watson paused in front of the Vietnam diorama, figuratively traveling back in time nearly forty years to a nighttime raid on a bamboo hut on the other side of the world. Dramatic life sized figures of three men with green camo face paint and exotic armament are checking out a Viet Cong guerrilla weapons cache, a variety of weapons of communist bloc and other origin.</p>



<p>“The SEALs here just discovered it,” the Chief says, “the guy on the left is carrying a standard Model 37 (Ithaca shotgun) with a ‘duckbill’ &#8211; the later version with the ring around it.”</p>



<p>And there, sitting on a wooden ammo crate in front of the SEAL, was Watson’s own “Sweetheart,” described at the beginning of this feature. But he isn’t pleased that this makes it look like his gun had been captured. “That didn’t happen,” he declared, “we’re gonna get some stuff moved around.”</p>



<p>The SEAL on the right carries another interesting combo, a chopped M16 dwarfed by a big, strange apparatus attached to its topside carrying handle. The Chief shakes his head as he recalls his own brief experience with this ungainly rig.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="539" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/020-3.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17020" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/020-3.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/020-3-300x231.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/020-3-600x462.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>Hollywood’s 1951 movie glorifying combat exploits of WWII “Frogmen” inspired a certain New Jersey teenager named James Watson to join the Navy specifically to become a member of the Underwater Demolition Teams. Years later star Richard Widmark (on right in green rubber suit) signed this movie poster for noted Vietnam War SEAL Chief “Patches” Watson. (Robert Bruce Military Photo Features)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>“Here’s one of the first ‘Starlight Scopes,’ but it was too heavy and cumbersome,” he said. “I used it once mounted on a CAR Fifteen (submachine gun version of the Colt AR-15 rifle)&#8230;. Too heavy and when you put it up to your eye to use it there’s a green glow. Take it away and you’re blind; night vision’s gone in that eye for thirty minutes.”</p>



<p><strong>Post-Vietnam to GWOT</strong></p>



<p>The North Gallery continues with exhibits showing activities and operations since Vietnam, overseen by an eerie life-sized hologram with the spectral three dimensional presence of a SEAL armed with an MP5 submachine gun. He tirelessly guards displays showing Naval Special Warfare units in action in Grenada, Panama, Persian Gulf, Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>



<p>Noteworthy among the photos and artifacts is another tall case packed with examples of Navy edged weapons from the Mark I KA-Bar of WWII thru the new Gerber Silver Trident, the Chief’s own design in collaboration with Bill Harsey, Jr.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="460" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/021-3.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17023" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/021-3.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/021-3-300x197.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/021-3-600x394.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>13 Feb 2002, Camp Doha, Kuwait. U.S. Navy SEALs (Sea, Air, Land) operate a Desert Patrol Vehicle while preparing for an upcoming mission. Each “Dune Buggy” is outfitted with complex communications and weapon systems designed for harsh desert terrain. The UDT-SEAL Museum collection acquired two variations of these remarkable vehicles in June 2005. (US Navy photo by PHM1C Arlo Abrahamson)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Across the way, visitors can walk right up and touch a battle-damaged 12.7mm ChiCom Type 54 heavy machine gun, a clone of the Soviet DShKM, captured by SEAL Team Two’s Fourth Platoon during a still-politically sensitive operation in the Persian Gulf in the late 1980s. Roughly equivalent to Browning’s M2HB, the exotically configured and impressively large weapon should spark recognition of how lethal is the arsenal of our current enemies.</p>



<p>Operation Desert Storm, the 1st Gulf War, is the final major exhibit, shown in display cases full of captured Iraqi gear dominated by a mannequin in “chocolate chip camo” uniform, representing a SEAL operating far behind enemy lines. Then, the last bit of wall space available in the museum holds a meaningful tribute to the eleven SEALs killed on a combat rescue mission in Afghanistan on 28 June 2005.</p>



<p><strong>Safekeeping</strong></p>



<p>Few museums have everything in the collection on display and this one has packed a small storage room literally from floor to ceiling with rare, unusual and truly exotic artifacts. Stepping up close we encountered vintage tactical radios, diving gear, uniforms, and other interesting items from decades of NSW operations. How about an example of the distinctive XM257 shotgun ammo that goes with the “Duckbills” on display? Got it. “Bazooka” rockets used against beach bunkers? Yep.</p>



<p>Also, three large safes line one wall of the room, jammed with weapons and other high-value artifacts. Their massive doors swing open to reveal an eclectic mix ranging from Great War vintage machine guns to GWOT RPGs. Chief Watson pulled a few out for us to handle (wearing the necessary white cotton gloves, of course) and graciously gave us the opportunity to shoot detailed photos. In addition to a 1917-made Lewis Gun that served in WWII protecting UDT craft, there’s Robert Marshall’s M1 Carbine (UDT 3 and 5) and a ‘Nam era S&amp;W Model 39 auto pistol with suppressor.</p>



<p>But our props really started turning when the Chief set a trio of crude handguns down on the white background paper of our makeshift studio. “These are homemade VC pistols,” he said, “captured by Team Two’s ‘Fly’ Fallon and his PRU (Provisional Reconnaissance Unit) on a Phoenix operation.”</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="513" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/022-3.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17025" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/022-3.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/022-3-300x220.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/022-3-600x440.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>This bright yellow one-man swimmer delivery vehicle, sometimes employed by Navy UDT in the 1960s, was reportedly used in filming of the James Bond movie “Thunderball.” (Photo by Larry Benvenuti, courtesy of Navy UDT-SEAL Museum)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>There, right in front of us, were jungle workshop weapons; surprisingly well made by resourceful guerrillas, captured by a real SEAL on a CIA-directed mission, brought back home by him, then personally donated to the museum. This is powerful provenance and future visitors can look forward to the time when space is available to put them and their story on display.</p>



<p><strong>Artifacts Sought</strong></p>



<p>Curator Ruth McSween has recently come on board. With a Masters Degree in Museum Studies, she brings a high degree of professionalism to the demanding tasks of cataloging, preservation, presentation, and much more.</p>



<p>McSween encourages the continued contribution of letters, photographs, uniforms, oral and written histories, weapons, and other memorabilia, relating to the history of Naval Special Warfare of all eras. Like most museums, they have a need for certain historical items to fill important gaps in the collection: OSS Maritime Units, the history and evolution of Special Warfare Combatant Craft, and photographs of UDT platoons executing hydrographic reconnaissance survey work.</p>



<p>Additionally, she says, “We would like to increase the number of artifacts that date to more recent operations including both wars in Iraq as well as the war in Afghanistan.”</p>



<p><strong>Bigger and Better</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="466" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/023-3.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-17028" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/023-3.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/023-3-300x200.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/023-3-600x399.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption>The Ship’s Store gift shop features an interesting assortment of UDT and SEAL memorabilia including shirts, caps, pens, mugs, patches, stickers, books and videos. It is also accessible online through the museum’s website at www.navysealmuseum.com. (Photo by Larry Benvenuti, courtesy of Navy UDT-SEAL Museum)</figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Available space for major exhibits ends after the first Gulf War. So museum leaders are aggressively pursuing funding for expansion to showcase recent and ongoing NSW operations in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other battlegrounds of the Global War on Terror.</p>



<p>Howard explained that there are existing architectural plans for a dramatic new addition but day to day operational costs have to take priority. “Right now we’re only making ends meet,” he said.</p>



<p>Association President Willard Snyder, interestingly a retired Army Colonel (Infantry) with service in 12th Special Forces Group (USAR), told us the Board of Directors is working to “get one focus and move ahead financially.” Both Snyder and Howard see corporate donors &#8211; such as major defense contractors &#8211; as natural sources of funding and other support.</p>



<p>Howard, Snyder and the Chief all emphasize the essential contributions of rank and file members whose dues, volunteer work, donations of artifacts, personal and professional networking connections, are the museum’s firmest foundation. Increasing membership &#8211; open to all who wish to support preservation and presentation of the history of Naval Special Warfare &#8211; is a top priority.</p>



<p><strong>Find Out More</strong></p>



<p>Membership details and a printable application form may be found on the Museum’s excellent website at www.navysealmuseum.com. Additionally, the site offers a stunning “virtual museum” tour as well as a wealth of information on history, heritage, and links for those interested in SEALs and other current Naval Special Warfare units. Go on-line shopping at The Ship’s Store for an interesting assortment of UDT and SEAL memorabilia including shirts, caps, pens, mugs, patches, stickers, videos, and plenty of books such as Chief Watson’s Point Man.</p>



<p><strong>See For Yourself</strong></p>



<p>No trip to Florida by a modern military history buff or small arms enthusiast would be complete without a side visit to tropical Fort Pierce and its UDT-SEAL Museum on beautiful North Hutchinson Island. Most anytime is fine, but particularly during Muster, the yearly gathering of past and present SEALs and other NSW members. The 21st Annual Muster, featuring spectacular combat demonstrations and other exciting activities, is scheduled for November 10 through 12, 2006. There’s detailed info on the museum website.</p>



<p>UDT-SEAL Museum<br>3300 North Highway A1A<br>Fort Pierce, FL 34949-8520<br>Telephone (772) 595-5845<br>www.navysealmuseum.com<br>Other Useful Websites<br>www.nswfoundation.org<br>www.navysealteams.com<br>www.navyseals.com<br>www.seal.navy.mil<br>www.realseal.org</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[By John Brown In the several visits that the NFATCA board has made to Martinsburg, we have always been amazed at the technology and the energy it takes to keep up with the firearms trade in our great land. We read and hear a lot of self pronounced experts criticize the BATFE, their efforts, and [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em>By John Brown</em></p>



<p>In the several visits that the NFATCA board has made to Martinsburg, we have always been amazed at the technology and the energy it takes to keep up with the firearms trade in our great land. We read and hear a lot of self pronounced experts criticize the BATFE, their efforts, and the regulations. Most don’t have the courage to let the rest of us know exactly who they are; therefore you can never really get the help you think they might be able to offer. Out of this frustration, the NFATCA was born nearly two years ago. The NFATCA has grown to represent an organization run by the NFA community for the NFA community.</p>



<p>As most of you know from reading the past articles we have published, the NFATCA has been working collaboratively with the Bureau for almost two years. For the first time in history we have jointly developed the NFA Owners Manual for all members of our community. This effort is completed and has been done so in total excellence. Both the BATFE and the NFATCA have worked diligently to represent the NFA community as a whole, on rulings, explanations and understanding the law. We have accomplished many things with the combined energies.</p>



<p>It is unfortunate that we are unable to convince more of the NFA community to dig in and help out. What we do costs a lot of money. Some of the community complains that the dues are too expensive, yet they don’t hesitate to write a check for a $10,000 NFA weapon. I heard someone say, “The difference is my gun is an investment.” I did have the opportunity to smile at this gentleman and ask him, “And who is watching out to make certain that your investment is protected?” The look on his face would have stopped a truck.</p>



<p>That’s why the NFATCA is a group of individuals and corporations, just like you, interested in finding and defining the best way to protect our futures with NFA ownership. This is exactly what we do. We don’t fight battles on an individual basis, although we have been asked to do so. We work collectively for the entire community.</p>



<p>The standard question is, “What have you done for me lately?” The answer is a simple one, but will get very complex as the future presents itself.</p>



<p>With a new BATFE Director and a host of issues, we will need all the help we can muster including a robust membership and funding that continues to strengthen our organization’s efforts. In late 2006 we will be working many issues that are critical for many of you in the NFA community. We are being faced with technology questions, and the side effects of our work being recognized by ATF. They value our opinion and we are being asked on a more frequent basis to offer opinions on a variety of issues, again, critical to all NFA owners.</p>



<p>Today we are being asked, by BATFE, some very pointed questions on the use of sears in conversions and opinions on how the NFATCA feels about many technical issues concerning machine guns and manufacturing issues. We are participating in discussions on the use of various uppers and the effects on regulations. We are being invited into halls we have never been asked to visit until this time. For the first time, our opinion is valued, listened to, and used in the design of the NFA community’s future. We have realized a major objective in our goals: designing a more collaborative effort with the ATF. Mission accomplished!</p>



<p>The NFATCA today, with a membership of over 100 members, including major manufacturers, is the only organization that stands unified in representing the entire NFA community.</p>



<p>In the future we will be involved with counsel, ATF, and our membership to resolve a host of issues that we will detail in these articles. We will need the top 10% of our membership to handle these issues, offer opinions, and work jointly with ATF in forming policy for the future. At every turn I still see many NFA owners lethargic in their approach to offering any financial or other expertise to work NFA issues.</p>



<p>Even with only 100 members we will forge onward and work to the best of our efforts to stay strong, unified, and powerful in our energies to represent the best interests of the NFA community.</p>



<p>If you care at all, and want fair representation, join the NFATCA today and help this organization bring the strength necessary for the best representation in Washington, D.C. Our success will be a success for the entire community. Join today!</p>



<p><strong>WWW.NFATCA.ORG</strong></p>



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					<description><![CDATA[By Robert Bruce “Today’s war is against a global web of terrorist extremist networks and their state and non-state sponsors. This asymmetric challenge to the United States has sparked new interest in irregular warfare, which lies ill-defined at the nexus of insurgency, counterinsurgency, special operations, clandestine human intelligence collection, paramilitary operations, and strategic communication. In [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em>“Today’s war is against a global web of terrorist extremist networks and their state and non-state sponsors. This asymmetric challenge to the United States has sparked new interest in irregular warfare, which lies ill-defined at the nexus of insurgency, counterinsurgency, special operations, clandestine human intelligence collection, paramilitary operations, and strategic communication. In this form of warfare, the Department of Defense cannot and does not fight alone, but rather in partnership with other government agencies and nongovernmental organizations &#8211; including commercial enterprises &#8211; in a global battlespace that extends far beyond the traditional combat zones in Afghanistan and Iraq.”</em>&nbsp;Thomas E. “Tim” Davidson, Colonel, USAF (Ret), Chairman NDIA SO/LIC Division</p>





<p>Long time readers know that&nbsp;<em>Small Arms Review</em>&nbsp;is committed to presenting not only the latest in military weaponry but also information on related developments that maximize combat effectiveness. This is why, year after year, we make the arduous trek inside the beltway of our Nation’s Capitol to cover the thoughtful presentations and diverse exhibits hosted by the Special Operations/Low Intensity Conflict (SO/LIC) Division of the National Defense Industrial Association (NDIA).</p>



<p>The theme of the 17th annual gathering, “An Interagency View of the Global War on Terrorism,” was supported by a distinguished lineup of top level speakers from the US and allied nations representing government, military and industry. The site was well chosen in Crystal City, just minutes by car from the Pentagon, Capitol Hill, Embassy Row, and the notorious K Street coven of lobbyists. Thus, the posh Hyatt Regency’s efficient and capacious exposition center enjoyed attendance and participation by a remarkable number of real stars, supporting players, and essential backstage technicians in the deadly drama that plays out daily in GWOT, the Global War on Terror.</p>



<p>Two of the most prominent were Thomas W. O’Connell, Assistant Secretary of Defense for SO/LIC, and General Bryan D. Brown, top man at US Special Operations Command.</p>



<p>O’Connell, in his sobering and thoughtful presentation “A War Unlike Any Other,” put GWOT into perspective by citing the many interlocking elements that must be factored. While conducting two simultaneous counterinsurgency campaigns halfway around the world, he noted that the US and our Allies must contend with hostile media, limited funding, political infighting, vulnerabilities in oil supplies, and the myriad opportunities for terrorists to acquire and use WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction).</p>



<p>During a riveting address headlined “No Borders, No Boundaries,” General Brown surprised many among the capacity crowd in the hotel’s enormous auditorium by publicly acknowledging a major shift at USSOCOM from Direct Action (traditional smash and grab operations) to Unconventional Warfare. UW is an umbrella term covering broad spectrum military and paramilitary operations in partnership with local or surrogate forces.</p>



<p>Fueled by a reported $9 billion budget increase over the next five years and strong endorsement in the newest&nbsp;<em>Quadrennial Defense Review</em>, Brown’s 52,000 person command is slated to grow by 13,000. Lobbyists and other industry reps leaned forward intently to note items on his wish list including dramatic modernization of aging aviation assets like C-130s and CH-47s, old warhorses that need to be put out pasture. He welcomed the exciting new CV-22 Osprey tilt-rotors but wryly noted that full delivery on present contracts won’t be complete for another ten years.</p>



<p><strong>Anti-Terror Technology</strong></p>



<p>Big picture and big policy presentations provide the framework for all those bits and pieces that are needed to actually get things done. Generals give the orders, it is said, but soldiers have to carry them out. Fortunately, soldiers &#8211; in this case special operations professionals &#8211; of the world’s most technologically advanced nation can look forward to some remarkable developments entering the supply pipeline or under development for the near future.</p>



<p>This year’s techno-guru was Ms. Sue Peyton, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense, Advanced Systems and Concepts, who outlined efforts underway to put the best new COTS (commercial off the shelf) gear into the hands of SOFs. This includes the FCT (Foreign Comparative Testing) Program and among several examples she cited we found the HK-Benelli M1014 Joint Service Combat Shotgun most compelling. Marines took the lead in fielding this semiautomatic shotgun and it quickly found favor in USSOCOM, particularly with Army Rangers and the new Marine Corps Special Operations Command.</p>



<p>But the spookiest hardware is stealthily moving along under the ACTD (Advanced Concept Technology Demonstrations) banner, “Bridging the gap between scientist and warfighter.” Some interesting items from the long list of initiatives that Peyton described:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>The Biometrics tool using retina scanning to instantly identify known insurgents.</li><li>Expendable and Micro UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) that are manportable, easily launched and maneuvered, providing real-time situational awareness.</li><li>Global Reach PSYOPS (Psychological Operations) to expand the range of current activities.</li><li>Directed energy platforms, now including an amazing rifle-like manportable system. Also, work is ongoing toward the goal of replacing traditional gun systems on the AC-130 “Spooky” gunships with laser weaponry.</li><li>Thermobaric munitions for a wider variety of weapons &#8211; down to 40mm grenade launchers &#8211; giving warfighters dramatically increased lethality.</li></ul>



<p>Readers are urged to access briefing slides from many of the symposium’s presentations at www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006solic/2006solic.html. Of particular interest should be a video clip on a hot link right below the title to Ms. Peyton’s “Advanced Systems and Concepts for the Global War on Terrorism.” Watch how the new AT4CS (Confined Space) literally “lights up” a hideout for some now-ex Iraqi insurgents.</p>



<p><strong>Exhibits</strong></p>



<p>Running concurrently with high-level presentations in the auditorium, exhibits showcasing the latest developments by industry and government in support of USSOCOM’s worldwide missions were shoehorned in somewhat smaller space this year at the event’s new location.</p>



<p>SOPMOD Central The highest priority on&nbsp;<em>SAR</em>’s to-do list at SO/LIC is always a visit to the exhibit booth of the Crane Division of Naval Surface Warfare Center. These are the fine folks who make sure all of Uncle Sam’s most elite warriors &#8211; Navy SEALs and Special Warfare Combatant Craft units, Army Rangers and Green Berets, Air Force and Marine Corps Special Operations &#8211; are armed with the best weaponry available for high-stakes missions under the worst conditions encountered worldwide.</p>



<p>There, we were fortunate to find the affable and thoroughly knowledgeable Mike Jones, an acquaintance of several years by virtue of his senior position in Crane’s Research, Development and Acquisition office for the SOPMOD (Special Operations Peculiar Modification) Program. Drawn by the rack of exotic long guns at Jones’ elbow, we pulled alongside as he talked with a lean young officer in a dress uniform that was most notably adorned with a gold Trident.</p>



<p>Both men acknowledged our presence with a friendly nod while warily noting the conspicuous PRESS badge.&nbsp;<em>SAR</em>&nbsp;could listen in, it was tacitly understood, but such conversation that followed would be carefully phrased. It was later emphasized by Jones and others at the Crane booth that everything said was strictly off the record and the courtesy of an official review of this portion of SAR’s report was requested. Oh, and absolutely no pictures at the booth.</p>



<p>We are pleased to write that little of substance was subsequently deleted by USSOCOM from what follows. But less so to note that a formal request for photos common to several “Cleared for Public Release” SOPMOD and SCAR Program briefings, widely disseminated on publicly accessible websites, was not supported. It needs to be said in fairness to the very practical folks at Crane that this puzzling decision was apparently made at levels substantially above theirs.</p>



<p>Accordingly, graphics that accompany this portion of the narrative have been supplied by industry sources as well as some official military imagery that has been separately cleared for press release. Anyone who might be tempted to accuse&nbsp;<em>SAR</em>&nbsp;of aiding our nation’s many enemies by publishing these photos is likely far less computer-savvy than your average American teenager or al Qaida operative &#8230;.</p>



<p>Returning back to the conversation between the SEAL lieutenant and Jones, who was explaining how some urgent requests from operators were being addressed by the Crane team. The rack of rifles served as a hardware show ‘n tell for current solutions as well as some competition-sensitive items under evaluation for near-future fielding under the MDNS (Miniature Day/Night Sight) program.</p>



<p>Occupying top position on the rifle display at the Crane booth was a flat-top M4A1 Carbine with much of the standard SOPMOD items like Knight’s suppressor, rail accessory system and flip-up rear sight, a SureFire white light, Tango Down foregrip, and Lewis sliding stock. But two other accessories on the weapon were getting closer attention, the Insight Technology LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL (Advanced Targeting Pointer Illuminating Aiming Laser) and EOTech SU-231/PEQ Reflex Sight.</p>



<p>Smaller and lighter than current models, the ATPIAL boasts enhanced performance with combined visible and IR pointers and illuminators, as well as half MOA adjustments.</p>



<p>The SU-231, ruggedized and improved over EOTech’s very successful 500 series holographic day sights, is night vision compatible with an increased optical field of view and powered by standard GI issue DL 123 batteries.</p>



<p>Just below the Carbine was a flat-top M16 with a heavy, rifle-length barrel, free-floated inside a quad rail accessory system. Known in Navy circles as the MK12 Special Purpose Rifle, it is usually topped with a Leupold day scope but this one was carrying an unusual piggyback day sight combo.</p>



<p>It seems that operators like reflex type sights a lot for CQB (close quarter battle) but don’t want to sacrifice the target identification and precision engagement capabilities of the tough and bright Trijicon ACOG (Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight). So, Crane is evaluating the SU-237, an eminently practical solution consisting of a tiny Docter red dot reflex that is hard mounted atop the 4 power ACOG.</p>



<p>Jones showed another contender along the same lines, an ELCAN Specter DR that also mounts a Docter topside. Designated the SU-230, this clever day scope is uniquely switchable from 1 to 4 power with the throw of a lever, going from wide field red-dot aiming in CQB to precision shooting out to 600 meters. This also works particularly well in both magnifications when used in-line with night vision devices.</p>



<p>By the way, ELCAN’s website allows us to test drive this remarkable switch-sight on a virtual target detection range found at http://elcan.phpinternet.com/specter_DR.</p>



<p>Another notable item on hand was Insight Technology’s SU-234 PAS Thermal Sight, a strong presence in Crane’s CNVD (Clip-On Night Vision Device) program. With 1 to 2 power zoom and VGA or RS 170 output, it takes uncooled thermal imaging to new standards of miniaturization and reduced weight without sacrificing target identification and engagement capabilities.</p>



<p>Conspicuously absent at the Crane booth was any manifestation of the high-speed new SCAR (Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle) Light, Heavy and Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module family of weapons that is rapidly clearing all hurdles on the way to production and fielding. Jones prudently declined to offer any explanation and, knowing FNH USA would show the entire line in a few months at NDIA Small Arms, SAR decided not to send the question up the chain of command.</p>



<p><strong>A Few Good Guns</strong></p>



<p>Kudos to Beretta Law Enforcement and Defense Group as the lone gun manufacturer with an exhibit booth; particularly interesting given the character of the event and its attendees who run the full spectrum from operators to general officers. There, Pat Gallagher and Jay Connors took full advantage of their place in the spotlight to show off several weapons including the impressive PX4 Storm carbine and pistol. They told us that the handgun component, a thoroughly modern polymer frame design that is currently available in classic 9mm and newer .40 S&amp;W, is undergoing conversion to .45 ACP in anticipation of USSOCOM’s Joint Combat Pistol trials. www.BerettaLE.com.</p>



<p>We usually walk right past any display that doesn’t have an actual weapon prominently on display but the opportunity to talk with EWA’s Jason Pizzillo at the UCT Defense booth proved the exception. SAR had noted reports that their proprietary ULTRACHEM Nickel Boron coating process has been applied to a variety of small arms that have undergone exhaustive testing and field evaluations for USSOCOM and other Defense Department entities.</p>



<p>Published results show ULTRACHEM has successfully demonstrated superior performance in lubrication-free operation as well as dramatic extension in barrel life. Pizzillo says it’s already making a difference in the real world of special operators, understandably intolerant of the limitations of conventional lubrication and well known for pushing their firearms beyond design limits. www.uctdefense.com.</p>



<p>The veteran M72 LAW (Light Antitank Weapon) has been overshadowed in recent times by the AT-4, but complaints from the field about the newer weapon’s size, weight and firing signature vs. warhead performance have turned the tables. Larry Sanks of Talley Defense Systems was proudly showing the new FFE (Fire From Enclosure) LAW that Uncle Sam is buying for a variety of urban combat applications. Its novel Confined Space Propulsion System, initiated in 2003 for the Crane folks, boasts firing noise below 150 dB with no smoke or flash. www.talleyds.com.</p>



<p>Ring Airfoil Projectiles, irreverently called ballistic Frisbees by some, have been around for quite awhile but as not much more than novelties. Now, this concept is being developed by Aegis Industries in collaboration with the National Nuclear Security Administration as a way to send “less lethal” payloads to greater range with better accuracy. John Hicks, Defense Systems Program Office Manager at Department of Energy’s Kansas City Plant, says these capabilities may prove valuable in certain situations where a perceived threat needs to be stopped at a safe distance without having to resort to deadly force. www.aegispds.com.</p>



<p><strong>Gear Up and Go</strong></p>



<p>The biggest displays of real gear for real operators were put on once again by rivals Diamondback Tactical and Tactical &amp; Survival Specialties, both jam-packed with everything from boots to brain buckets.</p>



<p>Plenty of examples from the no-nonsense products found in Diamondback’s impressive 350 page catalog were on display but we went right to a bullet-scarred “chicken plate” and picked it up for a closer look. David Ledbetter came over to explain that the surprisingly thin (5mm) DBT Ultra Concealable Level 3+ Stand Alone Ballistic Rifle Plate defeated two hits from 5.56mm green tip then two 7.62 x 39mm mild steel core AK rounds. Seems a good choice where light weight (4.5 pounds) and thin profile are priorities. www.diamondbacktactical.com.</p>



<p>TSSI (Tactical &amp; Survival Specialties Inc.), teamed with SPSA (Special Projects Special Applications), offers both a staggering array of combat components as well as expertise in working with the government’s various procurement bureaucracies. Tom Little showed us uniformed mannequins sporting a wide variety of accessories for operators and their weaponry, explaining that this unique partnership of companies gets gear from the shelf to the field in record time. www.tacsurv.com and www.spsa.biz.</p>



<p><strong>Wide Ranging Discussions</strong></p>



<p>Training special operators takes a lot of expense and range time so several firms were on site to show how their products and services can maximize the investment. Range Systems builds sophisticated custom shoothouses for USSOCOM and other demanding users and offers a full line of targets and accessories. Additionally, their OUTPOST Mobile Shooting Range was a standout, rolling right up to your specified location all ready to go inside a 53 foot tractor-trailer rig. www.range-systems.com.</p>



<p>Leslie Duke of Ballistics Research Inc. showed us what looked like a giant black LEGO block that can be configured in any number of ways for force protection against projectiles or energetic fragments. The 3-Dimensional Interlocking Protection System is made from an advanced plastic-like compound with the astonishing ability to actually gain density, becoming stronger as multiple projectiles are absorbed, reportedly including .50 caliber armor piercing. Molded into a super dense cube with locking slots and tabs, it can be assembled in unlimited configurations. www.ballisticsresearch.com.</p>



<p>Five paramilitary companies under the banner of Blackwater USA at its 7,000 acre headquarters and training facility give the North Carolina based firm worldwide capabilities and a reputation for taking on the toughest assignments. While Blackwater’s VP for Strategic Initiatives was giving his “Contractors on the Battlefield” perspective to symposium attendees, the inimitable Hershel Davis, Blackwater’s “Corporate Master Chief,” was holding down the fort in the exhibit hall. Davis, sporting a handlebar moustache that’s a weapon in its own right, pointed with pride to the BEAR, a modular, mobile, multi-target steel range system that can be customized to meet user preferences. www.blackwatertargets.com.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[By Christopher Bartocci In the 1950s, the ArmaLite Division of Fairchild Engine and Aircraft touted their new revolutionary AR-10 as “Tomorrow’s Rifle Today.” How right they were. But the day of the AR-10 would have to wait nearly 40 years to just show how true that claim was. With the adoption of the smaller caliber [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em>By Christopher Bartocci</em><br><br>In the 1950s, the ArmaLite Division of Fairchild Engine and Aircraft touted their new revolutionary AR-10 as “Tomorrow’s Rifle Today.” How right they were. But the day of the AR-10 would have to wait nearly 40 years to just show how true that claim was.<br><br>With the adoption of the smaller caliber AR-15, which was destined to become the 5.56x45mm M16 rifle, the AR-10 wound up in the scrap heap of the Ordnance Corps, even though it may have well been superior to the home grown M14 which was adopted by the U.S. military. The M-14 had an active service life of only 6 years before the AR-15/M16 would officially replace it as the main battle rifle for the United States military. Though the AR-10 was produced in limited number by Artillerie-Inrichtingen Hembrug-Zaandam of the Netherlands, it would disappear and become one of those extremely valuable collector items of the lineage to the longest serving small arm in U.S. history, the M16.<br><br>It was not until the early 1990s when the AR-10 would be re-introduced by its designer, Eugene Stoner. The AR-10 was always special to Stoner. His original design interest was in 7.62mm military rifles and it was noticed by individuals from Ordnance Corps that the AR-10 was unusually accurate for an auto-loading firearm. This was for good reason. Stoner teamed up with C. Reed Knight, Jr. of Knight’s Armament Company and introduced the SR (Stoner Rifle) -25 (10 + 15). This was a match grade sniper rifle based on the AR-10 with many of the advancements of the M16A2 and boasted 60% parts commonality. But it was expensive and scarce to anyone other than military. The development of the SR-25 was paid for through commercial sales. Knight did introduce a very small limited run of SR-25 carbines just before the September 1994 Assault Weapon Ban. These utilized the telescopic carbine stock and a 16-inch free-floated barrel.<br><br>In the mid 1990s, Mark Westrom, President of Eagle Arms, bought the trademark along with all other remaining rights pertaining to ArmaLite and reintroduced his Company as ArmaLite. Westrom made many 5.56mm variations of the M16 rifle but his true crown jewel was the reintroduction of the AR-10. The new AR-10A2 and A4 series were modernized AR10’s. Unlike the SR-25, Westrom was more concerned with making a rifle that was designed to be a 7.62mm rifle than a rifle that shared parts commonality with the existing M16A2. Westrom built a stronger rifle utilizing forged receivers instead of extruded ones and at a much more affordable price. In fact, ArmaLite (Westrom) has sold more AR-10 rifles than all the others combined throughout the history of the AR-10. With the new ArmaLite Company geared toward high quality weapons design and sales at reasonable prices, the AR-10 was back and back for good. Westrom did develop his weapon with surrogate components from the SR-25 and did maintain parts compatibility to tap into the existing SR-25 market.<br><br><strong>AR-10 Carbine Development</strong><br><br>Although the mid to late 1990s showed a variety of different AR-10/SR25 rifles, the one that was usually missing from Knight’s and ArmaLite’s catalogue was the carbine versions. This was due to the federal assault weapon ban that prohibited the use of telescopic stocks, bayonet lugs, flash suppressors and production of high-capacity magazines for commercial use. ArmaLite got around the magazine ban by his converting the countless surplus pre-ban M14 magazines into the magazines for his AR-10A2/A4 family of weapons. If you were fortunate enough to have an SR-25 you were stuck paying nearly $150 for a 20-round magazine. With there being little law enforcement or military interest in a compact 7.62mm weapons system, it made little sense to invest in the development of something you could not sell; at least, not yet.<br><br>On September 14, 2004, the federal assault weapon ban expired. These weapons were now legal in most states and civilians were anxious to get their hands on a 7.62mm M4. ArmaLite was the first to respond with their AR-10A4 carbine. This sported a 16-inch barrel with an M16A2-style muzzle break and a telescopic stock. Selling for around $1,400, ArmaLite could not produce enough. Knight’s also responded and in 2005 put into production a carbine version of their SR-25 called the MK11 Carbine, which is made in very limited numbers and sells for more than $5,000.<br><br><strong>The DPMS AP4 Panther Carbine</strong><br><br>The latest entry into the AR-10 family of carbines is the AP4 carbine manufactured by DPMS Panther Arms and introduced at the 2005 SHOT Show. Selling for $1,249, the AP4 is an extremely high quality carbine that is light, reliable and accurate. Panther Arms offers an entire line of match grade rifles in this caliber but the carbine comes in two configurations with the only difference being the hand guard. One comes with standard hand guards and the other with a free floating hand guard. All come with two 20-round magazines and the DPMS Panther Arms Back Up Iron Sight, sling and operators manual all in a hard plastic carrying case.<br><br><strong>The Upper Receiver</strong><br><br>The upper receiver is made from thick-walled, extruded from 6066 T-6 aluminum. The receiver is then hard coat anodized to a flat black finish. The top of the receiver has a flattop Mil-Std 1913 rail. A unique aspect of the upper receiver is that it has a forward assist/shell deflector built into the receiver located directly behind the ejection port. Why does the AP4 carbine have a forward assist when Knight’s and ArmaLite do not? DPMS was merely responding to customer demand. Although the forward assist assembly is quite useless and designed to force a bolt closed, which you should never do, there are customers who demand it because the M16 has it. The original rifle was designed without one for good reason but there has been a perceived psychological need for it, not a mechanical need, one which has kept it on the M16/M4 series weapons since the mid 1960s. The customers desired it so Panther Arms provided this feature on their AP4. The shell defector, like on the 5.56mm rifle, prevents ejected fired cartridge cases from hitting the left handed shooter in the face. The standard ejection port dust cover is used as well.<br><br>The 16-inch long barrel is manufactured from 4140 chrome-molly steel and has the “step-down” contour of the barrel of the M4 carbine. The barrel is button rifled with a right hand twist of six lands and grooves with a 1 turn in 10-inch twist. The carbine uses a standard profile M16 front sight assembly with the M16A2/M4 square front sight post and a modified Vortex-type flash suppressor. The carbine utilizes a gas tube for its direct impingement gas system.<br><br>The test and evaluation carbine was also equipped with a DPMS designed BUIS (Back Up Iron Sight). This is very much a standard M16A2 style rear sigh adjustable for both windage and elevation with both long and short range apertures and is secured by two tension bolts. However, any BUIS can be attached to the standard Mil-Std 1913 rail.</p>



<p><strong>The Lower Receiver</strong><br><br>The lower receiver is milled from a solid billet of 6061-T6 aluminum and hard coat anodized to a flat black finish. The trigger components utilized are standard .155 diameter AR-15 hammer, trigger and disconnector. The selector is the A2-style with co witness on the right side of the receiver so a left handed shooter will know the condition of his rifle. The lower receiver is thicker and sturdier than either the Knight or the ArmaLite rifle.<br><br>The telescopic stock utilizes an M4-type polymer stock but has 6 sliding positions instead of Mil-Spec four. The carbine uses a different buffer than the standard carbine and is much shorter in length.<br><br>The magazine is one of the most interesting features of the AP4. DPMS chose to go with the Knight’s 20-round magazine, which is an enhanced original AR-10 magazine. It is the most optimal choice for the AR-10 type weapon system and now, with the high capacity magazine manufacturing restrictions lifted, DPMS was free to go with this magazine design. Their magazine retails for $59.95.<br><br><strong>The AP4 Bolt Carrier Group</strong><br><br>Like the SR-25, DPMS went with the original ArmaLite hard chrome plated bolt carrier. Showing that retro look is “in” and the obsolete chrome plated bolt carrier groups have made a reappearance over the last few years after being discontinued in the mid-1960s for the current manganese phosphate finish. DPMS has reverted back to this finish as well on their entire line of 5.56x45mm rifles. Another interesting departure from previous bolt carriers is that DPMS went with two gas vents instead of three that have always been used since the 1950s. Another difference is the firing pin retaining pin. Knight’s went with a captive firing pin retaining pin to prevent this commonly lost part from disappearing at an inopportune moment while ArmaLite went with the standard cotter-style pin. DPMS went with the machined pin similar to the original pins used by Colt in the early days of Vietnam. They were discontinued by the Army in favor of the cheaper and more durable cotter-type pin. This DPMS firing pin retaining pin is over-engineered and very durable.<br><br>Both the ArmaLite and the DPMS AP4 use dual extractor springs to increase extraction strength in the higher pressure carbines. Westrom however, utilizes a rubber “O” ring to further enhance extraction reliability. DPMS stayed with a free-floating firing pin like Knight’s whereas ArmaLite put a firing pin spring on the firing pin to lessen the likelihood of slam fires.<br><br><strong>Conclusions</strong><br><br>DPMS offers a very high quality and economical option to the 7.62x51mm AR-10 family of carbines. The AP4 can serve several roles that include hunting, target shooting and personal defense. It’s lightweight and compactness will take it where few 7.62x51mm caliber rifles have gone before. With the introduction of these lightweight carbines by Knight’s Armament, ArmaLite and DPMS, the 7.62x51mm cartridge has a package that could be suitable for close quarter battle conditions.<br><br>The test and evaluation carbine that was received and tested showed no points of concern in any areas. The AP4 carbine was high quality with excellent fit and finish. During live fire testing the carbine experienced no malfunction utilizing American Eagle .308 Winchester, Winchester Supreme 168-grain Open Tip Match, the authors own reloaded 147-grain full metal jacket as well as an assortment of surplus ammunition. The magazines interchanged and functioned flawlessly in both the SR-25 and the AP4. DPMS offers many configurations and add-ons to make the AP4 do anything a smaller 5.56mm caliber carbine can do and much more. Due to the modularity of the AP4 carbine, by replacing the upper receiver group the rifle can be a carbine, standard rifle or a match rifle. Then again, that is the beauty of any AR-15/M16/M4 based weapon system.<br><br><strong>PANTHER LONG RANGE 308 C 16-inch AP4 CARBINE (RFA2-308AP4)&nbsp;</strong><strong>Barrel:</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>16-inch heavy barrel, with a mock M4 contour</li><li>4140 Chrome-moly steel</li><li>6 grooves, right-handed 1&#215;10 twist, button rifled</li><li>308 Panther Flash Hider</li></ul>



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<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>.308 Winchester&nbsp;<strong>Method of Operation:</strong></li><li>Gas operated rotating bolt&nbsp;<strong>Sights:</strong><ul><li>Standard A2 front sight assembly</li><li>Detachable rear sight (FT-RS)</li></ul><strong>Weight:</strong><ul><li>Empty &#8211; 8.5 lbs&nbsp;<strong>Length:</strong></li><li>Extended &#8211; 35.6 inches</li><li>Collapsed &#8211; 31.6 inches</li></ul><strong>Upper Receiver:</strong><ul><li>A3-style Flattop, forged</li><li>Thick walled, extruded from 6066-T6 aluminum</li><li>Hard coat anodized and Teflon coated black</li><li>Dust cover</li><li>Shell deflector</li><li>Round forward assist</li></ul><strong>Lower Receiver:</strong><ul><li>Milled from a solid billet of 6061-T6 aluminum</li><li>Hard coat anodized and Teflon coated black</li><li>Standard AR-15 trigger group</li><li>Integral trigger guard</li><li>Aluminum magazine release button</li></ul><strong>Stock:</strong><ul><li>AP4 &#8211; 6 position, telescoping fiber reinforced polymer</li></ul></li></ul>



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					<description><![CDATA[By Jason Wong Gemini Technologies, Inc. &#8211; known as Gemtech to most consumers and enthusiasts &#8211; manufactures high quality suppressors for the NFA enthusiast, law enforcement, and military markets. Small Arms Review had an opportunity to sit down with Dr. Phil Dater and Kel Whelan of Gemtech to discuss new products, developments within the suppressor [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em>By Jason Wong</em></p>



<p><em>Gemini Technologies, Inc. &#8211; known as Gemtech to most consumers and enthusiasts &#8211; manufactures high quality suppressors for the NFA enthusiast, law enforcement, and military markets. Small Arms Review had an opportunity to sit down with Dr. Phil Dater and Kel Whelan of Gemtech to discuss new products, developments within the suppressor industry, and common misconceptions regarding suppressors.</em></p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>What are your most popular suppressors being sold?</em></p>



<p><strong>Kel</strong>: In the consumer market, we’re very happy with the Outback II. It’s a 22 caliber suppressor intended to be used on virtually any .22LR rifle or pistol. As a rimfire suppressor, the Outback II is constructed out of aluminum and is designed to be used as a dry suppressor without the introduction of any grease, oil, or water. There are other .22 caliber suppressors on the market, but we believe the Outback II offers the consumer the best possible combination of size, sound reduction, and cost. We’ve built the Outback II with a titanium thread insert to address consumer concerns of the aluminum to steel interface between barrel and suppressor.</p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>Why do you use the titanium insert on the Outback II model?</em></p>



<p><strong>Phil</strong>: Thread inserts are not truly necessary. Assuming the barrel is threaded correctly, there is no problem with steel to aluminum contact. We use ring gauges to measure male threads and plug gauges to measure female threads to ensure that all threads have been cut properly.</p>



<p>Aluminum threads on a suppressor are surprisingly strong and durable as long as quality high strength aluminum alloys are used. Gemtech has sold thousands of Outback suppressors and has received only two units needing repair to the threads. In both cases, the threads were still safe and met ANSI standards. Nevertheless, we replaced the rear mount on both units at no charge to the consumer. Occasionally we receive a request for the internals of an Outback I suppressor to be upgraded to the newer specifications. During the rebuild process, we examine the threads for indications of wear and unsafe conditions. Although the anodizing may have worn off these older models, in all cases the threads passed the gauge tests, and met ANSI specifications.</p>



<p>Several of our competitors install steel thread inserts into their suppressors, claiming that the aluminum threads could be worn out to the point of being unsafe. One of the issues with stainless steel suppressor threads is that if your threads are a little tight on a steel barrel, the threads will gall and make removal of the suppressor difficult. We decided to use titanium, which is a little more forgiving and offers less opportunity for galling to occur. Titanium costs a little more, but it provides a better product for the consumer.</p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>Tell us about your center fire rifle suppressors.</em></p>



<p><strong>Kel</strong>: Within the consumer and military markets, we’re seeing increased sales of the Halo suppressor intended for .223 caliber rifles. The Halo is a high efficiency suppressor rated for fully automatic fire with a patented mounting system. The mounting system allows the suppressor to be installed on any standard NATO specification flash hider without the use of tools, and without any modification to the weapon. Most modern battle rifles, including the M16, employ the standard 22mm NATO flash hider, allowing the Halo to be utilized on a wide variety of .223 caliber rifles.</p>



<p>In terms of modularity, the suppressor can be transferred from rifle to rifle without modification or installation of proprietary flash hiders. For the commercial market, the consumer can purchase a single suppressor for use on multiple .223 caliber rifles, assuming the flash hider on each rifle is of proper size, fit, and alignment. This allows the consumer more flexibility in the recreational use of the suppressor. In addition, the consumer is not forced to purchase and install proprietary mounts or flash hiders for installation of the suppressor.</p>



<p>Installation of a proprietary mount limits the use of the suppressor to rifles with the proper mount. The Halo suppressor eliminates this limitation and removes the need for a designated rifle for use of the suppressor. Within the military market, it may be difficult or impossible for deployed soldiers to have a rifle properly modified to allow proper installation of a proprietary suppressor mount. The Halo overcomes this obstacle by allowing any soldier to use the suppressor on any weapon with a standard mil-spec flash hider.</p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>Who are your military end users, and how are they using Gemtech products?</em></p>



<p><strong>Phil</strong>: Although we refuse to specifically identify our government clients to respect their privacy, our products are used by government and military entities both domestic and abroad.</p>



<p>In 1996, Gemtech was one of only two companies that submitted a complete bid on the Special Operations Peculiar Modification (SOPMOD) military contract for suppressors. Although our submission met the requirements of the contract, the contract was awarded to the other bidder, allowing Gemtech to focus on the commercial and law enforcement market. Five years later, the Global War on Terror resulted in thousands of law enforcement officers being mobilized into the Reserves or National Guard. These soldiers were already familiar with our products and often recognize that there are other suppressors available on the market. This has certainly helped in increasing sales to government entities.</p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>Where do you see the suppressor industry in ten years?</em></p>



<p><strong>Phil</strong>: The industry itself is growing, and sales of suppressors are up. The consumer market is growing, and suppressors are becoming more commonplace. The ATF is making that easier &#8211; turn around times for approved NFA transfers are down, and more retail gun stores are stocking suppressors. There will be a consumer market in the future.</p>



<p><strong>Kel</strong>: I see a widening gulf between consumer suppressors and military suppressors. I think a lot of people may want the “cool guy” suppressor used by Special Operation units, but the military suppressor may only be three inches long, and doesn’t provide great sound reduction. For the Special Operations soldier, it’s a lifesaver. The suppressor can be used in confined areas, and its use may be mission specific.</p>



<p>In contrast, the commercial market is going to demand an effective and quiet suppressor. It will be difficult to address both markets effectively, but I also think there will be great opportunities. Gemtech is committed to staying firmly in the commercial market, while also addressing the need of our government clients. Unlike the NFA enthusiast, our government clients often engage dangerous people in dangerous situations. Gemtech is committed to providing the best possible products to those that rely upon our products while risking their lives on the job.</p>



<p>I also predict that in the next five to ten years, we’ll see bigger companies enter the market. I also predict that we’ll see buyouts and mergers of current suppressor manufacturers. We’ll see companies that provide a complete package of gun and accessories, including the suppressor. The days of paying high prices for an accessory will end within the next 5 or 10 years, with the suppressor becoming just another accessory to the firearm. Suppressors will be built onto the firearm, with an increasing number of proprietary mounting systems. It doesn’t make sense for a firearm manufacturer to build an $800 battle rifle, and place an $800 suppressor on the barrel. The prices of suppressors will inevitably come down, will become more available, and will be made by an increasing number of manufacturers. It’ll take some time to sort out the industry. We’ll see some manufacturers exit the market, and new manufacturers enter the market.</p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>What are your recommendations on cleaning suppressors?</em></p>



<p><strong>Phil</strong>: I don’t recommend cleaning them at all. Our demo units are never cleaned, and I don’t think I have ever cleaned my personal suppressors in almost 30 years of shooting. There were some early designs that used packing material, and I’ve replaced the internal material within those suppressors. On the modern suppressors that utilize baffles, there is no need to clean them. Several of our older mounting systems need routine maintenance to remain functional, but the latest mounts utilized on the Halo, G5 and HVT suppressors require no maintenance.</p>



<p>I jokingly comment that you need to clean a suppressor about as often as you clean the muffler on your car. Suppressors do have a life, and at some point the performance will gradually deteriorate. We have a suppressor returned by a customer that documented 250,000 rounds through the unit. The suppressor is made entirely of aluminum components, was used exclusively on a submachine gun, and was operated dry throughout the suppressor’s lifecycle. The suppressor was still operational, was still hearing safe, but was not performing optimally. When a suppressor stops performing properly, we can rebuild the interior components to original specifications. My current recommendation is to never clean the suppressor, other than using compressed air to flush out any residual particles of unburned powder that may be trapped within.</p>



<p><strong>Kel</strong>: There is a new crop of consumers that want to take care of their gear. The concern is legitimate, but it’s mostly unnecessary. How many rounds are going to be fired by the consumer? If a consumer is shooting a large amount of ammunition, the barrel will eventually be worn out, and will need to be replaced. The suppressor is no different.</p>



<p>I also think it’s unrealistic for consumers to ask if a suppressor is “full-auto rated” without addressing whether the host weapon is also “full-auto rated.” Could a customer fire 100,000 rounds of surplus tracer through our suppressors? Sure. It could be done, but the rifle may also need to be rebuilt. The barrel and gas system may be burnt out and need to be replaced. A suppressor is no different.</p>



<p>Gemtech’s suppressors are probably more durable than most people think. Our suppressors are engineered to provide a long lifespan. I think most shooters will get a lifetime of use from a small .22 caliber suppressor, even if not cleaned. A high volume shooter that fires 200,000 rounds of ammo through a suppressor can certainly afford to spend $100 to have the suppressor rebuilt.</p>



<p><strong>Phil</strong>: Let me also add that there is nothing that we have found that will dissolve carbon deposits within a suppressor. I tried several techniques, including acids, and nothing worked to strip the carbon deposits. There really isn’t anything that can take off the carbon short of scrubbing with an abrasive material. If the end user feels compulsive enough to clean their suppressors, we recommend use of Ed’s Red. The recipe can be found on the Internet. We use a similar formula at Gemtech to clean all our guns, but it really isn’t going to do much good to clean a suppressor.</p>



<p>I’ve have tried almost all of the water based solutions available on the market, frequently combining their use with an ultrasonic cleaner. To date, nothing has worked to remove the carbon build up. In addition, water based solutions damage aluminum. Use of a water based solution may not fully drain from the suppressor, and can damage the aluminum interior of the suppressor, possibly to the point of becoming dangerous.</p>



<p>Center rifle suppressors made from steel also face problems if water based solvents are used. Frequently, center fire suppressors do not drain and dry completely. When water based cleaning solution mixes with oxides formed during combustion of the propellant, it is possible for nitrogen based acids to form and damage the steel interior of a suppressor. More harm is done by cleaning suppressors, than from actual use.</p>



<p>With regards to mounting systems, some mounts requires maintenance. I advise consumers not to clean our suppressors, but when a suppressor mount has moving parts, be compulsive about cleaning the moving parts within the mount.</p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>What future products does Gemtech plan on offering to the consumer market?</em></p>



<p><strong>Kel</strong>: We have an active R&amp;D program, coming up with new concepts and new ideas. We’re working with government agencies to develop new products to stay on the forefront of the suppressor industry. We’re taking cues from government and military agencies, but also from the commercial market. There is a healthy NFA market in the United States, and the consumer has input into what sells. As a result, the consumer is a guiding force on what we’re designing and manufacturing. If we identify a specific and sufficient need for a new product, we’re willing to design and make that product.</p>



<p><strong>Phil</strong>: Several years ago, we had an older suppressor model &#8211; the MK9k. We stopped manufacturing that model, and did not list it in our catalog. We received a call from a client that wanted a new MK9k suppressor, and I had to explain that it was no longer manufactured. The client asked if Gemtech would be willing to make more MK9k suppressors if a large order was placed and demand were created. I agreed. Two months later, a large order for MK9k suppressors arrived. Recognizing the civilian demand, we placed the MK9k back into production, and the MK9k is again listed in our catalog. The MK9k suppressor is heavier and longer than our Raptor model, but the performance is comparable. Nevertheless, some of our clients prefer it over other suppressors that we offer.</p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>Can you comment on your refusal to offer sound reduction measurements within your catalog?</em></p>



<p><strong>Phil</strong>: While we do not publicize sound level results, we do sound measurements on every suppressor model we offer for sale. Sound measurements of the same suppressor will vary from day to day, depending on varying atmospheric conditions, including ambient temperature, humidity, the type of ammunition used, and the acoustic impedance of the air. A cold and dry environment will produce different results than a hot and humid environment. As a result, it is misleading to claim that a suppressor can perform a specific sound reduction when consumers will be using the product in a variety of environments that may or may not duplicate the environment encountered during testing. Further, to compare two different suppressors, they must be measured at the same time, same location and conditions, and with the same ammunition and testing protocol.</p>



<p>Let me also note that in my experience, I have learned that one or two decibels is meaningless &#8211; you can’t hear that, and the deviation between shots will easily exceed two decibels. I personally don’t believe that anyone can hear a 1 decibel difference. Most people can hear the difference between 3 decibels, but sounds with less than 3 decibels of differentiation become very hard to distinguish. It may be that some people can hear a 1 decibel difference. There may be some people that have phenomenal hearing and a great sense of perception, but on a whole, I think its nonsense. Suppressors that are performing within 1 or 2 decibels of each other are essentially performing identically due to the environment and the shooters hearing perception.</p>



<p><strong>SAR</strong>:&nbsp;<em>We sincerely thank you for your time and for providing readers of SAR with your most interesting comments and insights.</em></p>



<p><strong>Phil</strong>: You’re welcome.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-table"><table><tbody><tr><td><em>This article first appeared in Small Arms Review V10N3 (December 2006)</em></td></tr></tbody></table></figure>
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