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					<description><![CDATA[By Frank Iannamico Above: An early Patchett machine carbine, with its stock in a folded position. The first Patchetts were designed during World War II. Classic Submachine Guns, Carbines and Pistols Refined The Patchett Submachine Gun The Sten machine carbine (the term “submachine gun” was not used by the British until 1954) was hurriedly conceived [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="has-small-font-size"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Above</span></em></strong>: <em>An early Patchett machine carbine, with its stock in a folded position. The first Patchetts were designed during World War II.</em></p>



<p><strong>Classic Submachine Guns, Carbines and Pistols Refined</strong></p>



<p><strong>The Patchett Submachine Gun</strong></p>



<p class="has-drop-cap"><strong><em>T</em></strong>he Sten machine carbine (the term “submachine gun” was not used by the British until 1954) was hurriedly conceived during the early stages of World War II, as Great Britain, seriously short of weapons for defense, was facing an invasion by the German Army. The Sten was a rather crude, but reliable and deadly weapon. After the threat of invasion subsided, work began on developing a more refined submachine gun.</p>



<p>George Patchett was an experienced gun designer who went to work for the Sterling Armament Company during World War II. Mr. Patchett designed a fair number of prototype weapons based on his ideas. By 1943, George Patchett’s submachine gun was developed enough to be tested by the military. Designated as the Patchett Mark I machine carbine, the weapon used a number of parts from the Lanchester machine carbine. The Mark I’s magazine housing was attached at a 90-degree angle to the receiver and fed from Sten or Lanchester magazines. After testing, the Patchett Mark I was considered suitable for service, but with plenty of Sten Mk II and Mk IV submachine guns still in service, there were no large orders for the Patchett forthcoming. Undeterred, development of the Patchett continued with the introduction of the Mk II model in 1946. One of the primary features of the Mark II was its magazine housing oriented at an 82-degree forward angle, to accept Patchett’s new double-feed, curved magazine—a vast improvement over the Sten magazine. Finally, during 1953, the Patchett Mark II was adopted as the Gun, Sub-machine, 9mm L2A1. During 1955, the Mark III model was introduced. The Patchett name was dropped and replaced with the name Sterling. The official designation was the Sterling Submachine Gun Mk III, L2A2. The Sterling company continued further development of the weapon resulting in a final version designated as the Sterling Mk IV L2A3.</p>



<p>The Sterling Mark IV L2A3 submachine gun was produced in Great Britain by Sterling and the Royal Ordnance Factory at Fazakerly. Submachine guns produced at Sterling had serial number prefixes using the letters “KR,” “S” and “US.” Fazakerley weapons used the prefix “UF.” Production began during 1955-1956 and ceased at Fazakerly in 1959, Sterling in 1988. The Sterling Mark IV L2A3 remained in British service until 1994.</p>



<p>Sterlings destined for British military service had a Sunkorite 259 satin black painted finish. Commercial Sterlings had the black crinkle finish. The British use of the term “commercial” is a bit misleading. Sales to Commonwealth and governments, other than the British military, were considered “commercial” sales. The Sterling was also licensed for manufacture in Canada as the C1 submachine gun and India as the SAF Machine Carbine A1.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" width="700" height="224" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/002-210.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-22100" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/002-210.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/002-210-300x96.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/002-210-600x192.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><em>The Sterling Mk IV L2A3 submachine gun. Sterlings destined for British service had a satin black painted finish. The prefix letter “L” represented Land Service.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img decoding="async" width="700" height="234" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/003-205.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-22101" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/003-205.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/003-205-300x100.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/003-205-600x201.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><em>Sterlings with the popular “crinkle” finish were for “commercial” export sales for military and police use.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>For the police market, Sterling introduced a semi-automatic-only version of the Mk IV L2A3 submachine gun called the “Police Carbine.” The Police Carbine was also available to civilians in countries such as South Africa. Sterling ads boasted, “The Sterling submachine gun has been modified for use by police and civilians in troubled parts of the world,” and the “Perfect weapon of self-defense for those obliged to take such precautions.” The Police Carbine operated the same as the submachine gun, firing from an open bolt. The semi-automatic-only function was made possible by adding a block to the selector lever, preventing it from being rotated to the A (automatic) position. It was soon discovered that the Police Carbine could easily be converted to select-fire by removal of the block or installing a submachine gun selector lever. Police Carbines can easily be identified by their serial numbers that began with a letter “P.”</p>



<p><strong>The U.S. Market</strong></p>



<p>During the 1980s, a new breed of firearm was introduced to the U.S. civilian market; copies of military submachine guns and rifles. The big difference was the clones were semi-automatic-only and had to adhere to strict provisions set by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to make them difficult to convert to full-automatic.<br><br><strong>Rifle Caliber</strong></p>



<p>Popular U.S. offerings for the market were Colt’s AR-15 rifle, a civilian version of the U.S. military M16, and the Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A copy of the M14. However, both the aforementioned rifles were available before the 1980s. The M1A rifles went into production in 1971; the Colt AR-15 in 1964. Both became popular when many enthusiasts discovered them in the monthly periodicals of the day, followed by special editions of 1980s magazines focusing entirely on the new breed of semi-automatic firearms and the quickly growing accessory market that soon followed.</p>



<p>Many of the semi-automatic firearms were imported. Companies like Heckler and Koch (HK) offered copies of their .223 caliber HK33 as the HK93 and the .308 G3 as the .308 HK91. Other popular firearms were FN’s Belgian-made SAR (FN FAL), China’s AKS rifles and Austria’s Steyr AUGs. Some of the imports were quite expensive, a few costing twice as much as a Colt AR-15.<br><br><strong>Pistol Caliber</strong></p>



<p>U.S.-manufactured pistol caliber semi-automatics included the West Hurley Auto-Ordnance M1927A1 Thompsons, MAC-10s, SWD’s M11/Nine, Nighthawk carbine and Wilkinson Arms Linda pistol and Terry carbines.</p>



<p>Foreign submachine gun copies included the Heckler and Koch MP5 designated in semi-automatic-only guise as the HK94; Action Arms imported semi-automatic models of the famous UZI submachine gun. Some of the lesser known imports of the 1980s were the British Sterling Mark 6 carbine and Mark 7 pistol, semi-automatic copies of the British Mk IV L2A3 submachine gun.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/004-194.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-22104" width="525" height="350" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/004-194.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/004-194-300x200.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/004-194-600x399.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px" /><figcaption><em>Markings on a Sterling Police Carbine. The Police model was an Mk IV submachine gun designed for semi-automatic fire only by the addition of a block in the trigger group to keep the selector from being moved to the A—Automatic. However, it was quickly discovered that they could easily be converted to full-auto. The Police Carbine, like the submachine gun, fired from an open-bolt position. The selectors were marked “FIRE” and “SAFE.” They were available to civilians in some countries. (Courtesy of the Firearms Technical Branch ATF)</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>As per the ATF requirements after 1982, the semi-automatics had to operate from a closed-bolt position.</p>



<p>The introduction of the semi-automatic clones occurred prior to May 19, 1986. This allowed the legal registration and conversion of the firearms into machine guns. After May 19, 1986, the laws were changed making full-auto conversions illegal except for what would be known as restricted post-May dealer samples. Many AR-15s, UZIs, AKs and HK94 carbines were converted prior to the cut-off date. One select-fire conversion that was seldom seen was the desirable British Sterling Mk IV L2A3.</p>



<p><strong>Sterling Mark 6 Carbines</strong></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/005-167.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-22105" width="525" height="143" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/005-167.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/005-167-300x81.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/005-167-600x163.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px" /><figcaption><em>A semi-automatic Mark 6 Sterling. A limited number of the British-made carbines were imported to the U.S. during the 1980s. (Courtesy of the Firearms Technical Branch ATF)</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The British-made Sterling Mark 6 carbines were imported by Parker Arms and Armscorp of America. However, the majority of the carbines were imported by Lanchester USA of Dallas, Texas. The suggested retail price of a Sterling Mark 6 was nearly double that of the popular UZI carbine in 1983. Due to their high price, limited advertising and availability, only a small number of the Mark 6 carbines were sold in the U.S.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-gallery columns-2 wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex"><ul class="blocks-gallery-grid"><li class="blocks-gallery-item"><figure><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="466" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/006-152.jpg" alt="" data-id="22106" data-full-url="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/006-152.jpg" data-link="https://smallarmsreview.com/?attachment_id=22106#main" class="wp-image-22106" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/006-152.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/006-152-300x200.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/006-152-600x399.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="blocks-gallery-item__caption"><em>Selector markings on an Mk 6 semi-automatic carbine imported by Lanchester USA.</em></figcaption></figure></li><li class="blocks-gallery-item"><figure><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="574" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/007-123.jpg" alt="" data-id="22107" data-full-url="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/007-123.jpg" data-link="https://smallarmsreview.com/?attachment_id=22107#main" class="wp-image-22107" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/007-123.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/007-123-300x246.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/007-123-600x492.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption class="blocks-gallery-item__caption"><em>Markings on the magazine housing of the semi-automatic Mk 6 carbine.</em></figcaption></figure></li></ul></figure>



<p>The primary differences between the Sterling Mark 6 carbine and the Mark IV L2A3 submachine gun were the carbine’s 16-inch barrel and its closed-bolt operation. The receiver itself was similar to its submachine gun counterpart. The overall length of the Mark 6 Sterling is 35-inches with the stock extended and 27-inches with the stock folded. The carbine uses the same 34-round magazines as the submachine gun.</p>



<p><strong>Sterling Mark 7 Pistol</strong></p>



<p>The Sterling Mark 7 was a pistol variation of the Mark 6 carbine without a buttstock. The Mark 7 featured a 4-inch barrel extending through an 8-inch long barrel shroud. The pistol came with a 10-round magazine.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/008-102.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-22108" width="378" height="525" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/008-102.jpg 504w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/008-102-216x300.jpg 216w" sizes="(max-width: 378px) 100vw, 378px" /><figcaption><em>Magazine ad for the Mk 6 Sterling carbine.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>An import ban enacted in 1989 ended most of the importation of foreign semi-automatic rifles and carbines.</p>



<p><strong>Police Automatic Weapons Services (PAWS)</strong></p>



<p>Oregon Class II manufacturer, Bob Imel, had an interest in the British Sterling Mk IV L2A3 submachine gun design. To produce a U.S.-made copy of the Sterling, he formed the Police Automatic Weapons Service better known by the initials “PAWS.” During the 1970s Imel began to manufacture parts and receivers many years before the original surplus British Sterling part sets became available. The results of his efforts were the PAWS ZX-5 submachine gun in 9mm and the ZX-7 in .45ACP. The PAWS guns were only slightly different cosmetically than the Sterling Mk IV L2A3 submachine guns. The 9mm ZX-5 was designed to accept unmodified Sten magazines, in place of original Sterling magazines, due to cost and limited availability at the time. Because of the magazine-well configuration that was oriented 90-degrees to the receiver, the PAWS ZX-5 cannot accept original Sterling curved magazines. The .45 caliber ZX-7 model uses modified M-3 Grease Gun magazines. There were only a few hundred transferable ZX submachine guns made and registered, in .45 and 9mm, before production ceased with the enactment of the May 1986 McClure-Volkmer Amendments to the Gun Control Act, banning the manufacture and registration of transferable machine guns.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="213" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/009-74.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-22109" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/009-74.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/009-74-300x91.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/009-74-600x183.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><em>PAWS ZX-5 submachine gun. The PAWS submachine guns were made in Oregon prior to May 1986. The sights are different, and the grips are made of rubber. The magazine housing is at a 90-degree angle to the receiver and will only accept Sten magazines for the 9mm model and M3 magazines for the .45 ACP version.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>After the 1986 ban, Mr. Imel decided to create a semi-automatic carbine version of the PAWS submachine gun, in both 9mm, the ZX 6 and .45 ACP the ZX 8, with the parts left over from his machine gun production line. At that time the market for semi-auto submachine gun clones was flourishing. He started with an ATF-approved receiver design that was similar to and built to the same standards as his submachine guns but that used a closed-bolt design. The carbines came fitted with a 16.5-inch barrel and an UZI-type barrel nut. The blow back carbines weighed 7.5-pounds unloaded and were approximately 35-inches long with the stock in an extended position.</p>



<p>Prior to the 1986 machine gun ban, a number of submachine guns were constructed from part sets. Although the receivers could not be imported, it was legal (AFTER ATF approval) to assemble and register a machine gun with a new U.S.-made receiver. Many World War II submachine gun receivers were made of tubing for ease of wartime manufacturing. One of the most popular was the British Sten Mk II, primarily due to a large number of inexpensive parts. Another popular “tube gun” was the German MP40. Made in smaller numbers were the subguns like the Swedish K due to a limited number of spare part sets.</p>



<p>Submachine gun part sets from the Mk IV L2A3 Sterling were conspicuously absent only because the weapon was still in service with the British and many other countries. Although there were a very small number of original Sterlings in the U.S., most were dealer samples. The desirable Sterling submachine gun was seldom encountered in collections or on the firing line. It wasn’t until around 1994 that Sterling part sets began to be imported. However, eight years after the machine gun ban, there were relatively few registered receiver tubes available that had not been assembled into guns.</p>



<p>Stan Andrewski, a Class II manufacturer from New Hampshire, discovered that Sten Mk II receiver tubes shared many of the same dimensions as the Sterling Mk IV L2A3 submachine gun, except for the position and width of the cocking handle slot. The Sten’s slot is located at 50 degrees on its receiver, while the Sterling’s slot is located at a 60-degree position and is narrower than the Sten’s. Mr. Andrewski believed that the Sten-to-Sterling conversion had merit and sought permission from the Firearms Technology Branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for the conversion. Although ATF eventually granted permission for the Sten-to-Sterling conversion, narrowing of the cocking handle slot was not permitted. This hurdle was overcome by modifying the cocking handle, so the interior portion engages the bolt while the exterior handle travels in the 10-degree offset slot. This is achieved by cutting off the handle section itself and then MIG welding it back at a slightly lower position. The cocking handle has flange added to it, so it fits properly in the wider slot and retains the bolt at the correct angle. The cocking handle and cocking handle block are modified by drilling a hole in each, so the plunger protrudes through them to secure the cocking handle. This makes it a little harder to remove the cocking handle because the plunger must be depressed with a small diameter pin punch, while at the same time pulling outward on the cocking handle sometimes requiring a third hand to accomplish. Due to Mr. Andrewski’s efforts, a number of transferable Sten guns were reconfigured into Sterling submachine guns. Florida Class II manufacturer Don Quinnell also began performing the conversions. Finally, after many years, a transferable “Sterling” submachine gun was available!</p>



<p>Since the initial conversions were approved in 1997, a small number of virgin pre-1986 registered DLO, and a few Wilson-made receiver tubes have surfaced with a Sterling-spec narrow cocking handle slot, allowing an unaltered cocking handle to be used. This quickly resulted in the Sten-tube conversions with the wider cocking handle slot to be snubbed by some and bestowed with the rather condescending nickname “Stenlings.” However, in reality, both are still just “tube guns,” in turn probably slighted by the handful of fortunate owners of “real” British-made Sterling Mk IV L2A3 submachine guns.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/011-49.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-22110" width="525" height="185" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/011-49.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/011-49-300x106.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/011-49-600x212.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px" /><figcaption><em>A “Stenling,” a Sterling Mk IV L2A3 assembled on a U.S.-manufactured Sten Mk II receiver tube. Note the wide Sten handle slot.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>With a large number of Sterling parts kits (less receivers) being imported, it was only a matter of time before someone would begin assembling the parts into a semi-automatic carbine. To comply with U.S. laws, the carbines had to have a barrel with a minimum length of 16 inches. Wise Lite Arms of Boyd, Texas, produced a semi-auto carbine and pistol version of the classic Sterling. The carbines were assembled using a mix of newly made U.S. parts (bolt and barrel) and parts from demilitarized Sterling Mark IV parts kits. The Wise Lite carbines operate from a closed bolt to comply with U.S. laws. The pistol version lacking a butt stock has a 4.5-inch barrel.</p>



<p>There aren’t a lot of original accessories available for Sterlings, other than slings, magazine pouches and bayonets. Spare parts kits can still be found; however, many of the kits were bought by fans of the “Star Wars” films. The weapons carried by the Storm Troopers in the films were Sterlings modified for a futuristic look.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/010-59.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-22111" width="525" height="377" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/010-59.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/010-59-300x215.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/010-59-600x430.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px" /><figcaption><em>Accessories for the Sterling are limited to bayonets, magazine pouches and slings. Sten slings were plentiful after World War II and used on Sterlings. Eventually, Sterling slings were produced in brown and green colors. Most of the hardware was made of brass. The Sten sling at the bottom of the photo is dated 1945; the green Sterling sling is dated 1958; the brown Sterling sling is not marked. The British 4-cell magazine pouch is dated 1972.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p><em>(Dan’s note: most of the original “Star Wars” used Sterlings were deactivated to UK standard and sold on the market in the UK.)</em></p>



<figure class="wp-block-table aligncenter is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td class="has-text-align-center" data-align="center"><em>This article first appeared in Small Arms Review V23N1 (January 2019)</em></td></tr></tbody></table></figure>



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<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-167.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18055" width="580" height="363" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-167.jpg 750w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-167-300x188.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/001-167-600x376.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px" /><figcaption><em>This old MK III .455 is in use again with Hornady ammunition.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Among the great revolvers of all time is the Webley. Webley handguns fought in every conflict the British Empire was embroiled in from 1880 to 1963 and beyond. The odds are heavily in favor of the supposition that somewhere the Webley is still serving ably. While designed as rough and ready service revolvers, there is now some collector interest in the Webley. A chaotic loss of factory records has resulted in a daunting proposition to researchers, but then few Webley revolvers are true rarities. The condition of each should be your guide both as a shooter and as a collectible. The Webley is indispensable to anyone who desires to own a complete collection of World War One and World War Two revolvers. The Webley also served as a front line handgun during various Communist insurrections including Korea. The Webley was also a police revolver not only in England but also in practically every country under British influence. Officially, the Webley revolver in one form or another served the Empire as standard issue from 1887 until 1963, when the Browning High Power took its place. Just the same, the revolver was still on hand well into the 1970s at many British outposts.</p>



<p>The important features of the revolver are automatic extraction and double action trigger action. The top break extraction is a very desirable feature in a combat handgun. After expending the gun load, the barrel latch was activated and the barrel grasped to turn the barrel down. The extractor spring sprung the ejector to its full extension, ejecting all shells at once. The only disadvantage was that the shells were all ejected, fired or not. It was devilishly difficult to simply top the revolver off after a round or two had been fired. The American Smith &amp; Wesson break top system was much the same. A competitor in America, the Merwin and Hulbert, used a special system in which the barrel was drawn forward and only fired cases ejected. I mention these competing systems because all had one shortcoming: they were not practical for cartridges longer than the .38 Smith &amp; Wesson, .44 Smith and Wesson or .455 Webley. The leverage and length of the extractor were suitable only for short case revolver rounds.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-159.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18056" width="311" height="375" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-159.jpg 621w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-159-248x300.jpg 248w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/002-159-600x725.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 311px) 100vw, 311px" /><figcaption><em>The .38 Smith &amp; Wesson, left, and the .455 Webley, right, are both short case low pressure cartridges. They are pleasant to fire and light on both the shooter and the handgun.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The Webley Mk I was introduced in 1887 and saw action in Africa against aboriginal tribes. By 1900, the improved MK IV was in use by the British. The MK VI differs considerably from earlier revolvers as there is a step in the grip that gives more positive hand fit during double action fire. The Webley self extracting revolver, as the company called it, had few real competitors, and those armed with substitute standard handguns often complained. It is important to remember that Webley also produced solid frame revolvers for police and civilian use. Among the large numbers of Belgian and Spanish Ironmongery are a great many Webley copies. Some are well fitted, others are best suitable for use as fishing weights, and none are as well made or robust and the genuine Webley. Properly called Webley and Scott revolvers, these revolvers proved reliable in hostile environments including World War One trenches. Interesting to note, the obvious advantages of speed loads for the fast loading Webley revolver was developed as early as 1889 with some speed loaders issued by 1902. My research is imperfect but it seems that speed loaders were never issued in great numbers. The Prideaux speedloader is a complicated all metal device that when found commands as high a price as the handguns themselves.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-155.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18057" width="375" height="354" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-155.jpg 750w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-155-300x283.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/003-155-600x566.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px" /><figcaption><em>Although different in size and detail, the .38 and the .455 Webley revolvers were very similar.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Immediately after World War One, there was a hue and cry to replace the Webley .455. The Mk VI was larger and heavier than the original revolver but quite comfortable to fire and use. Just the same, the Army called for a smaller caliber revolver. Ease of training was one reason for the adoption of a .38 caliber revolver. Many other nations have regretted going to a smaller caliber handgun, but the British seem to have hit the magic number with the .38 and the loading they used. Restrictions upon the length of cartridge that could be used left little choice. The .38 Short Colt or .38 Smith &amp; Wesson were the only likely choices. The .38 Smith &amp; Wesson was chosen as a base line, with an unusual bullet. The British felt that by using a 200 grain bullet some measure of stopping power would be retained. The original loading was a 200 grain round nose lead bullet at 650 fps. The new cartridge, actually a special loaded .38 Smith &amp; Wesson, as distinct from the longer .38 Special, was termed the .380 or .38/200. The Mk IV Webley revolver is a basically a downsized .455 but also based upon the .38 caliber police revolvers. It is interesting that after expressing much interest in the Webley product, the government deigned it appropriate to develop their own handgun at Enfield Lock Small Arms Factory. The Revolver, No. 2, Mk I is similar in outline and operation to the Webley. It is a break top revolver with simultaneous ejection. Many of the detail changes are primarily for ease of production. As the story goes, after an accident in which a tank driver suffered a self inflicted wound, the Enfield was changed to the Mk I*, denoting a spurless hammer. Essentially, these were double action only handguns. Webley and Scott felt that the situation was more than unfair and brought suit against the government for their actions. The government did pay Webley, but also ordered great quantities of the Webley during World War Two as the Enfield Lock location was not adequate alone to meet the needs of the British Army. Some half a million Webley .38/200 revolvers were produced. This number is approximately four times the production figures for the .455 revolvers.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-149.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18058" width="375" height="311" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-149.jpg 750w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-149-300x249.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/004-149-600x498.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px" /><figcaption><em>This illustration demonstrates the top break feature of the Webley revolver.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The revolvers illustrated in this report are typical Webley revolvers. The MK III .455 was produced prior to the Boer war. It is in the original caliber. Quite a few have been altered to accept the .45 Automatic Colt Pistol cartridge with the use of moon clips. This was done as an expedient when Webley ammunition was difficult to impossible to obtain. While the .455 frame has been able to contain this pressure, common sense tells us there is a disparity in pressure. The .455 Webley with its 265 grain RNL bullet generates 650 fps at 12,000 pounds per square inch pressure. The .45 ACP cartridge with a 230 grain RNJ bullet generates 820 fps at 18,000 pounds per square inch. Today, good quality ammunition is available from Hornady. This relieves us of the necessity of facing off the cylinder and recoil plate in order to fire our Webley revolvers – but converted handguns WILL NOT accept the .455 ammunition.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-118.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18059" width="375" height="228" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-118.jpg 750w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-118-300x182.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/005-118-600x364.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px" /><figcaption><em>This is the .38 Webley cylinder as delivered from SOG. It was not going to rust!</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-104.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18060" width="375" height="293" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-104.jpg 750w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-104-300x234.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/006-104-600x468.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px" /><figcaption><em>Note the barrel latch, a distinctive Webley design, and the unusual safety.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-80.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18062" width="375" height="186" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-80.jpg 750w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-80-300x148.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/007-80-600x297.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px" /><figcaption><em>The .455 MK III suffered from a weak extractor spring but the revolver fired normally. These are six fat .455 cartridges.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>The MK III is very comfortable to fire. While it looks ungainly compared to modern revolvers, the Webley is far from it. The grip feels good in the hand, the double action trigger is smooth, and the sights are good for close range combat shooting. Our extractor spring is weak, which limited the experience, but overall this is a handgun that must have given officers much confidence. Recoil with the .455 Webley is insignificant. The lighter .38 revolver is impressive in fit, finish, and fast handling. This revolver was delivered from Southern Ohio Guns packed in Cosmoline. After the heavy grease was removed and the revolver examined, it was pronounced as new and appeared unfired. Balance is excellent. The Webley .38 is lively in the hand and it gets on the target quickly. The trigger is smooth and the combat style sights are excellent. We were able to obtain a small quantity of Winchester produced .38 Smith &amp; Wesson loads. The 146 grain RNL bullet averaged 580 fps from the revolver&#8217;s four inch barrel. Accuracy is problematic in the target sense but good in the true sense of marksmanship, in hitting the target on demand. We fired a four inch group at 15 yards with all six chambers. While the caliber is questionable for combat use, the handling of this revolver is first class. I attempted to duplicate the original loading with a combination of RCBS dies, Starline premium quality new cartridge brass, Winchester primers, WW 231 ball powder, and the Magnus cast bullet at 198 grains. I was able to work up a loading that exhibited 667 fps. The thump in the hand remained pleasant but noticeably stronger than with the 146 grain loading. The British believed that a heavier bullet at lower velocity working over a target over a longer time would be more effective than a lighter higher velocity bullet. There may be something to it. The Webley revolvers are a piece of history that is both interesting and tangible. At present, Webley revolvers are affordable and readily available. They are also shootable, given an example in good condition.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-75.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18064" width="353" height="375" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-75.jpg 706w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-75-282x300.jpg 282w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/008-75-600x637.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 353px) 100vw, 353px" /><figcaption><em>These Magnus brand cast bullets are very similar to the bullet used in the original .38-200.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-60.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-18065" width="375" height="321" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-60.jpg 750w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-60-300x256.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/009-60-600x513.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px" /><figcaption><em>The safety of the Webley was doubtless added at the request of some police agency, probably Singapore.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<figure class="wp-block-table aligncenter is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td class="has-text-align-center" data-align="center"><em>This article first appeared in Small Arms Review V14N8 (May 2011)</em></td></tr></tbody></table></figure>
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