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					<description><![CDATA[By John Hartmann Racine, Wisconsin gets cold in November, and November 20, 1933 was no exception. But, it was soon to heat up with the excitement caused by the arrival the Dillinger Gang. John Dillinger, noted bank robber and public enemy, had cased Racine’s American Bank and Trust Company as his next target. At approximately [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em>By <strong>John Hartmann</strong></em></p>



<p><em>Racine, Wisconsin gets cold in November, and November 20, 1933 was no exception. But, it was soon to heat up with the excitement caused by the arrival the Dillinger Gang. John Dillinger, noted bank robber and public enemy, had cased Racine’s American Bank and Trust Company as his next target.</em></p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" width="700" height="392" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/001-2.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-12883" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/001-2.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/001-2-300x168.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/001-2-600x336.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><em>Current Racine, WI Police Chief Kurt Wahlen displays the Thompson submachine gun used by John Dillinger.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>At approximately 2:30 p.m., the robbers entered the bank. Barney Cowan, a customer attempting to make a deposit, was manhandled and had a pistol stuck in his ribs. Harold Graham, the head teller, was counting a stack of bills. He had just put his “next window please” sign in place, when he heard someone yell, “Stick ‘em up!” Graham, his back to the widow, ignored the order, thinking someone was joking. When he heard the command again, he replied with a curt, “Next window, please.” Without a word, gang member Charles Makley shot him. The bullet entered Graham’s right arm and lodged in his hip. Although he was seriously injured, he was able to press the alarm button.</p>



<p>At police headquarters, Officer Chester Boyard heard the alarm, grabbed two men and headed for the bank. Boyard was the first to enter the bank, and was immediately taken prisoner by gang member Russell Clark. Sergeant Wilbur Hansen was next through the door, armed with Colt Thompson serial #3363. But, with the Thompson pointed at the floor, he was taken by surprise. Charles Makley fired and a bullet grazed Sergeant Hansen’s right hand. He dropped the Thompson, which was recovered by Makley. The third officer, who was still outside the bank, ran for help.</p>



<p>The bank alarm and the police presence soon drew a crowd of onlookers, there by blocking the exit from the bank. Dillinger, scooping up the loot ($27,700), realized there was a large crowd out front, and he ordered his men to grab hostages. As the gang and hostages moved through the crowd, two detectives came around a corner twenty yards away. Makley turned and fired a burst from his newly acquired “Tommy Gun,” chasing the detectives into Wylie’s Hat Shop to seek cover.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img decoding="async" width="700" height="410" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/002-5.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-12884" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/002-5.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/002-5-300x176.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/002-5-600x351.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><em>The buttstock showing Dillinger’s signature.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Three hostages were taken by the gang: bank president Grover Weyland, teller Ursula Patzke and police officer Chester Boyard. At the getaway car, the hostages were forced to stand on the car’s running boards, with Officer Boyard on one side, Weyland and Patzke on the other. Hotrodding through town and running two red lights, Dillinger soon realized he couldn’t get away with people on the running boards. He slowed momentarily and forced Boyard off, while pulling the other two hostages inside the car. Ursula Patzke later recalled that she was forced to sit on a pile of guns and money. When she complained that she was cold, Harry Pierpont, another gang member, gave her his coat.</p>



<p>Dillinger and the gang continued along the back roads of Waukesha County, Wisconsin. Approximately thirty-five miles from Racine, the hostages were tied to a tree with a shoelace and left otherwise unharmed. The gang turned around and headed for Chicago, taking Thompson submachine gun #3363 with them.</p>



<p>The Dillinger gang worked their way south through the fall and early winter of 1933, ultimately spending Christmas in Florida. Early January, 1934 found them back in the midwest in East Chicago, Indiana, where they robbed the First National Bank. As he had done in Racine two months before, Dillinger took hostages and used them as a human shield. Outside the bank awaited a heavily armed force of seven East Chicago police. Officer Hobarts Wilgus was one of the hostages, having been captured early in the robbery while on routine patrol in front of the bank. As Dillinger and the hostages moved down the street, he locked eyes with one of the police detectives at a range of twenty-five feet. Just a few feet away from the getaway car, Dillinger, thinking he had made it, relaxed for just a second, and Detective Patrick O’Malley shouted, “Wilgus!”</p>



<p>Wilgus turned, giving O’Malley a clear shot at Dillinger. O’Malley fired his pistol four times, hitting Dillinger once in his bullet-proof vest. Dillinger, shocked, lost his temper, shoved Officer Wilgus aside and shouted, “I’ll get that son of a bitch.” He raised his Thompson and fired a burst directly into Detective O’Malley. The officer, a father of three, died with eight bulletholes in his chest.</p>



<p>Dillinger, making his escape, again headed south through St. Louis, ending up in Tucson, Arizona. The Dillinger Gang, relaxing and enjoying the western hospitality, was taken by surprise and arrested by the Tucson police. Among the items captured were two Thompsons; one of them, #3363, was the one taken in the Racine robbery. Dillinger, now in the Pima County Jail, and awaiting extradition toIndiana, had some time on his hands, and the Tucson police allowed him to carve his name in the detachable buttstock of his Tommy Gun #3363.</p>



<p>During the time the gun was in the possession of the Dillinger Gang, they committed several robberies; but there is no proof that the gun was used by the robbers. However, the fact that gun #3363 was in the gang’s possession at the time of their arrest in Tucson leads one to assume it was carried, if not fired, in some of these escapades.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img decoding="async" width="700" height="473" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/003-5.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-12885" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/003-5.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/003-5-300x203.jpg 300w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/003-5-600x405.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><em>Left side of the receiver of Thompson submachine gun #3363, showing the serial number.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Racine Police Chief Grover C. Lutter traveled to Tucson and arrived at the Pima County Jail. He had requested the return of Thompson #3363, a weapon originally belonging to the Racine Police Department. Chief Lutter returned with the gun in 1934, shortly after Dillinger had been extradited to Indiana. #3363 has been in the Racine Police Arms Room since then. While doing historical research on the Dillinger Gun, Sgt. David M. Beranis, of the Racine Police Academy, sent a request to the Pima County Jail in 1971 to confirm information about the return of #3363. A reply from Sgt. Jack Wollard, of the Pima County Sheriff’s Records Department, dated September 27, 1971, confirms the return of #3363 to Chief Lutter. It is interesting to note that Sgt. Wollard had to contact his mother to confirm this information,as she was there in 1934 when Chief Lutter of Racine picked up the gun.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="634" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/004-5.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-12886" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/004-5.jpg 634w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/004-5-272x300.jpg 272w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/004-5-600x662.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 634px) 100vw, 634px" /><figcaption><em>1971 dated letter confirming that Thompson #3363 was returned to the Racine Police Department.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<p>Like most Thompsons bought by police, #3363 spent most of its duty time locked in the police arms room. It was bought as “preventive medicine,” just in case a group of “motorized bandits” of the time should come to town. An invoice dated September 10, 1932, shows the original purchase of a 1928 AC Model Thompson submachine gun with accessories as listed below. Chief Grover C. Lutter of the Racine Police Department was the customer and ordered the following items:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>1 &#8211; 1928 AC Thompson submachine gun $225</li><li>2 &#8211; 20-round magazines $6</li><li>1 &#8211; 18-round shot cartridge magazine $3</li><li>1 &#8211; 50-round drum magazine $21</li><li>2 &#8211; bullet-proof vests $160</li><li>1 &#8211; extra fore grip $2.75</li></ul>



<p>The gun and accessories were bought from Federal Laboratories, Inc. of Pittsburgh, PA., a major police equipment sales company. During the Depression era, $225 was a lot of money. Today, collectors pay as much as $35,000 for an original Coltmade Thompson in good condition. It’s clear that “Tommy Guns” have never been cheap.</p>



<p>Occasionally used for training and demonstration, #3363 was rarely pressed into active service. The May 14, 1972 issue of the&nbsp;<em>Racine Journal Times</em>&nbsp;reported that the venerable Colt Thompson submachine gun #3363 was to be retired from active duty.</p>



<p>An article in the November 8, 1995 issue of the&nbsp;<em>Racine Journal Times</em>&nbsp;reported that a photo opportunity was arranged to raise money for a display about the “Dillinger Thompson” and the 1933 bank robbery. For the sum of $25, you could pose with Thompson #3363 and receive an 8&#215;10 color print. Only four people showed up.</p>



<p>Today, the “Dillinger Thompson” is carefully preserved, cleaned, oiled and cared for by Officer Joseph Villalobos, senior training officer, Racine Police Department.</p>



<p>Our sincere thanks to Racine Police Chief Kurt Wahlen and Officer Joe Villalobos for their kind hospitality and assistance in examining and photographing this historic weapon.</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="493" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/005-5.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-12887" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/005-5.jpg 493w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/005-5-211x300.jpg 211w" sizes="(max-width: 493px) 100vw, 493px" /><figcaption><em>Order contract to Federal Laboratories from the Racine Police Department, signed by Chief Grover Lutter, for the Thompson and accessories dated September 10, 1932.</em></figcaption></figure></div>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="435" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/006-5.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-12888" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/006-5.jpg 435w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/006-5-186x300.jpg 186w" sizes="(max-width: 435px) 100vw, 435px" /><figcaption>John Dillinger at his father’s farm in Indiana.</figcaption></figure></div>



<p><strong>Gun Specifications</strong></p>



<p>Make: Colt Patent Firearms Mfg. Co.<br>Model: 1928 US Navy<br>Caliber: .45 ACP<br>Weight: 9 lbs. 13 ounces<br>Barrel Length: 12-1/2 inches with compensator<br>O.A. Length: 33 inches<br>Sights: Lyman Adjustable<br>Magazines: 20-round box; 50-round drum<br>Cyclic rate of fire: 600 rpm<br>Date of manufacture: Sometime between July 29 and August 27, 1921<br>Distinguishing marks: Signature carved by John Dillinger on left side of buttstock</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[By Frank Iannamico During WWII there was an overwhelming demand for the Thompson Submachine Gun, to supply both U.S. and Allied armies. In 1939, Savage Arms was contracted by Auto-Ordnance to manufacture the weapon. Due to the complex construction of the Thompson, Savage had a difficult time keeping up with the ever-increasing demand. As a [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>By <strong>Frank Iannamico</strong><br><br>During WWII there was an overwhelming demand for the Thompson Submachine Gun, to supply both U.S. and Allied armies. In 1939, Savage Arms was contracted by Auto-Ordnance to manufacture the weapon. Due to the complex construction of the Thompson, Savage had a difficult time keeping up with the ever-increasing demand. As a result, the Auto-Ordnance Corporation opened their own factory in 1941 to help fill the Ordnance Department’s requirements for the weapon.<br><br>The 1928A1 Thompson Submachine Guns being produced at Auto-Ordnance’s Bridgeport plant were identical mechanically and in appearance to those being made by Savage in Utica, New York. The letters AO preceding the weapon’s serial number on the left side of the M1928A1 model’s receiver will easily identify an M1928A1 Thompson that was produced in the Auto-Ordnance’s Bridgeport, Connecticut plant. A similar AO prefix serial number was applied to the rear of the trigger frame.<br><br>The early manufacture Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport guns, like their Savage counterparts, were fitted with the finned barrel and the adjustable Lyman rear sight. There were many Savage and other subcontractor manufactured parts used to assemble the guns produced at the Auto-Ordnance plant. The parts that were manufactured in house by Auto-Ordnance were stamped with the letters AO or AOC.<br><br>As production continued the Auto-Ordnance Thompsons, like the Savage manufactured guns, also began to be fitted with the simple stamped fixed “L” style aperture rear sight. On the Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport produced Thompsons the “L” style rear sight began to appear on guns at approximately the 80,000 serial number range. However, there was no defining line where the use of the Lyman adjustable sight was discontinued, as they continued to appear sporadically throughout the entire range of serial numbers.<br><br>In early production the finned barrel was still fitted on the Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport guns, but was eventually replaced by the easier to manufacture, smooth barrel that began to appear at the 85,000 serial number range. As with the rear sights there was no defining line on the type of barrel that was installed on any particular serial number range on Auto-Ordnance Thompsons. Even after the smooth barrels began to be fitted, the finned style barrels continued to sporadically appear through the entire serial number range until the end of production.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="179" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/001-29.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7948" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/001-29.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/001-29-300x77.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>This “L” drum equipped 1928 is an AO manufactured weapon is fitted with a vertical foregrip, Lyman rear sight and finned barrel. The wood on this gun has PD markings. (Courtesy David Tengdin, photo by Tim Fahs)</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>Note; while the “L” sight and smooth barrel began to appear on mid-range serial number Savage 1928’s they appeared on lower numbered Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport guns. The reason is that the Savage factory began manufacturing the guns approximately eighteen months before Auto-Ordnance. Thus, a low numbered Auto-Ordnance 1928 model was manufactured at the same time period a mid-range number Savage gun.<br><br>The Cutts compensator was retained on all military A-O 1928A1 models throughout production. Most of the Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport Thompsons were fitted with the late (4th) style compensator that has the Thompson bullet logo on the left side, and the Auto-Ordnance name roll marked across the top of the leading edge. All M1928A1 model Thompsons made at the Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport plant were originally fitted with the horizontal style foregrips.<br><br>The Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport plant was under the jurisdiction of the Springfield Ordnance District in 1941. Thompson Guns were inspected and proofed by on site Springfield ordnance inspectors. The initials of the chief executive officer of the respective Ordnance Districts, who were designated as Army Inspectors of Ordnance or AIOs, were stamped on the guns indicating that they accepted the weapons on behalf of the United States Government. Springfield District Chief executive officers during WWII Thompson production were; Waldemar Broberg and Lt. Colonel Guy H. Drewery. Subordinate ordnance officers managed the inspection process, and all of the guns were actually inspected and stamped by personnel working under their respective chief inspectors. The purpose of the government inspection was to insure that the material being manufactured was the type, quality and quantity specified in the government agreement with the provider. Great emphasis was placed on government contractors to perform their own quality inspections at their factories to avoid having material rejected by the government inspectors. This was done to avoid delays in badly needed materials and to avoid the expense of rejected goods. The quality fit and finish of the Auto-Ordnance produced guns was identical to those of Savage manufacture. Interchangeability of parts was 100% as per Ordnance Department directives.<br><br>Model of M1928A1 parts manufactured by Auto-Ordnance’s factories or subcontractors and marked AOC were; Receivers, trigger frames, Blish locks, bolts, actuators, barrels, grip mounts, butt plates, sears, sear levers, trip levers, disconnectors, safety levers and pivot plates.<br><br>Although the Remington Arms Company was subcontracted to manufacture many Thompson parts for Auto-Ordnance, in January of 1942, Auto-Ordnance acquired the machinery from Remington and moved it into their Bridgeport plant and began manufacturing the parts themselves. These parts included the actuator, bolt, extractor, ejector and disconnector.<br><br>An interesting variation of the Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport produced M1928A1 Thompson that has been observed, are those Thompsons that have had the U.S. designation ground off and the A1 mark overstamped to read AC. Many of the guns documented had been refurbished, and fitted with the smooth barrels and the “L” style fixed rear sight. Many, but certainly not all, of these guns so altered were in the 150,000 to 152,000 serial number range. A letter X was added as a suffix on the serial numbers of many of these guns. A few other examples of these “1928AC” Thompsons documented were fitted with the finned barrel and Lyman adjustable rear sight. A small number of these Thompsons had their original military horizontal foregrip replaced with the early style vertical foregrip. It is believed that these were guns that had been purchased from the government by the Auto-Ordnance Corporation and refurbished in order to be sold to law enforcement agencies after they were surplused. The Numrich Arms Corporation also removed U.S. markings from 1928 and 1928A1 model Thompsons they sold in the 1950’s.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="538" height="700" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/003-50.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7951" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/003-50.jpg 538w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/003-50-231x300.jpg 231w" sizes="(max-width: 538px) 100vw, 538px" /><figcaption><strong><em>A July 1942 Auto-Ordnance Corporation magazine advertisement featuring the “Indispensable” Thompson Submachine Gun.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>Interestingly, some of the AO “1928AC” overstamped Thompsons did not have Army Inspector of Ordnance (AIO) acceptance stamps on them, but were stamped with the Ordnance “wheel” acceptance mark. While other examples of these guns had no government inspector or acceptance stamps at all, suggesting that they were never inspected or accepted by the U.S. Government. Perhaps these guns were contract overruns or assembled from parts that remained after the government contracts were filled. However, no documentation could be located that could prove or disprove this theory.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="386" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/002-52.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7950" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/002-52.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/002-52-300x165.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>Receiver markings on a US 1928 A1 Thompson that was manufactured at Auto-Ordnance’s Bridgeport plant. Note the AO prefix preceding the weapon’s serial number. (Photo courtesy of Tracie Hill)</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>A Treasury Department IRS Form dated June 30, 1944 reveals that two Auto-Ordnance manufacture U.S. 1928A1 Thompsons with an X suffix added to the serial numbers were sold to a Massachusetts police department that year. The U.S. was ground off and the letter C over stamped on the 1 on both of the guns. Please note that the war didn’t end until the 15th of August 1945. All of the 1928 “AC” guns documented were originally manufactured by the Auto-Ordnance Corporation’s Bridgeport factory, and in almost every case had an AO prefixed serial numbered frame, although most of the frame/receiver numbers were mis-matched. The serial numbers located on the frames of these weapons also had the letter X added to them.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/005-37.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7952" width="580" height="270" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/005-37.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/005-37-300x140.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px" /><figcaption><strong><em>A 1928 “AC” This variation of the A-O manufactured Thompson have had their U.S. markings removed and the A1 overstamped to read AC. Note the checkered actuator and “paddle” style control levers.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>Although most of the Bridgeport manufactured Thompsons documented had the very common mismatched receiver and frame numbers, I found it interesting that in almost every case of an Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport mismatched gun, the frames were also of Auto-Ordnance manufacture. Even though the Savage frames are completely interchangeable, few Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport guns were observed with Savage trigger frames. The only two serialized parts on wartime Thompsons were the receiver and the trigger frame. The only reason for this was that when the Thompsons were manufactured the lower frames and receivers were hand fitted to each other to insure a close fit between the two parts. It was purely for cosmetic purposes, and had no bearing on the reliability or functioning of the weapon.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="327" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/004-42.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7953" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/004-42.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/004-42-300x140.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>All 1928A1 Thompsons manufactured at the Bridgeport, Connecticut factory were fitted with the 4th style compensator. This compensator had the Thompson “bullet” logo on the left side, and the Auto-Ordnance name roll marked on the top leading edge of the device.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>As per standard Ordnance Department procedures when there was more than one contractor manufacturing the same weapon, there were separate blocks of serial numbers assigned to each contractor. This was done so that no two weapons would be produced with the same serial number. However, during the military run there were some numbers duplicated, and a few more that were only one or two numbers different, the only difference being the letter S or AO preceding the serial number. Even though there were serial numbers that were close or duplicated on Savage and Auto-Ordnance guns, the dates that those Thompsons had actually been manufactured were quite different. By the time Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport had produced their very first M1928A1 gun, Savage had shipped well over 200,000 1928 and M1928A1 model Thompsons.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="480" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/006-24.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7954" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/006-24.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/006-24-300x206.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>Another example of an Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport 1928 “AC”. This particular gun is equipped with a smooth actuator and “stick” type control levers. </em></strong><br><strong><em>(Courtesy David Tengdin, photo by Tim Fahs)</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>Other major variations of the Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport manufactured gun were the same as the Savage models.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="413" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/007-22.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7955" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/007-22.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/007-22-300x177.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>Note the FULL AUTO markings on this trigger frame are on one line, indicating that it was manufactured by Auto-Ordnance. Thompsons manufactured by Savage had the their FULL AUTO markings on two lines. (Courtesy David Tengdin, photo by Tim Fahs)</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="463" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/008-16.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7956" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/008-16.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/008-16-300x198.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>The WB on this receiver signifies that this weapon was accepted on behalf of the US Government by Waldemar Broberg. Colonel Broberg was the Army Inspector of Ordnance (AIO) for the Springfield Ordnance District, where the A-O factory was located. Also visible is the Ordnance “Flaming Bomb” mark that indicates that the weapon has met all of the Ordnance Department’s specifications.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>Finned barrel, Lyman adjustable rear sight.<br>Finned barrel, “L” style rear aperture sight.<br>Smooth barrel, “L” type rear sight.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="301" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/009-11.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7957" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/009-11.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/009-11-300x129.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>A smooth “unfinned” barrel. This style barrel appeared on many late production Thompsons of both Savage and Auto-Ordnance manufacture. The machining of the barrel radial cooling fins was considered too labor intensive and was eliminated. The compensator was retained throughout the 1928A1 production.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>The Auto-Ordnance Corporation manufactured several experimental prototypes of the Thompson in an attempt to get more life out of the original design. There were 1928 model variations chambered for the U.S. 30’06 caliber, as well as a few prototypes made chambered for .30 carbine cartridge. The rifle cartridges proved to be too powerful for the Thompson’s Blish lock delayed blow-back system.<br><br>On 25 April 1942, the M1928A1 Thompson was reclassified as “Limited Standard”. The M1928A1 weapons were to be replaced in service by the new M1 version of the Thompson and the M3 submachine gun that was under development by the Ordnance Department and the Guide Lamp Division of General Motors. Due to unforeseen problems the M1928A1 model continued to be manufactured until the autumn of 1942.<br><br>Auto-Ordnance, Bridgeport manufactured their last U.S. M1928A1 model on 15 October 1942. Thereafter they concentrated on producing the M1 and M1A1 model. Government documents show that the Bridgeport factory manufactured a total of 323,900 M1928A1 Thompsons. The grand total of 1928 and M1928A1 Thompson Submachine Guns manufactured during WWII, by both Savage and the Auto-Ordnance facilities was an estimated 1,070,832 from 1940 to the fall of 1942 when the M1928A1 model was superseded by the M1 version.<br><br>The official end of the M1928A1 model came at an Ordnance Committee meeting held on 16 March 1944 item 23248; Memorandum for the Standards and Specification Section, Conservation Branch, Production Division, Army Service Forces. It was noted for the record that; “U.S. Army specification 52-3-30 of Gun, Submachine, Thompson, Caliber .45 M1928A1 be canceled in accordance with paragraph 30, AR 850-25”. The request was approved. </p>



<p>This article was condensed from relative information in the book <em>AMERICAN THUNDER</em>: <em>The Military Thompson Submachine Gun</em>, available from Moose Lake Publishing LLC. 207-683-2959</p>



<figure class="wp-block-table aligncenter is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td class="has-text-align-center" data-align="center"><em>This article first appeared in Small Arms Review V5N6 (March 2002)</em></td></tr></tbody></table></figure>
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					<description><![CDATA[By Frank Iannamico It took the Auto-Ordnance Corporation nearly twenty years to sell off all of the original 15,000 Thompsons that had been manufactured by Colt. However, in 1939, the German invasion of Poland touched off an unprecedented worldwide demand for weapons, particularly small arms. In the years following the initial run of the Colt [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>By <strong>Frank Iannamico</strong><br><br>It took the Auto-Ordnance Corporation nearly twenty years to sell off all of the original 15,000 Thompsons that had been manufactured by Colt. However, in 1939, the German invasion of Poland touched off an unprecedented worldwide demand for weapons, particularly small arms.<br><br>In the years following the initial run of the Colt made Thompson, the Auto-Ordnance Corporation, with lagging sales and deeply in debt, fell into the hands of Russell Maguire. In the late 1930’s Maguire had anticipated a major war in Europe, and a demand for weapons. When Maguire obtained the assets of Auto-Ordnance there wasn’t much except for some drawings, prints and a few unsold guns. Maguire at first tried to interest Colt in another production run of the Thompson, but they were already committed to manufacturing other military weapons, and were not interested. Maguire eventually negotiated with the Savage Arms Corporation of Utica, New York to manufacture the Thompson for Auto-Ordnance. In April of 1940, after a twenty-year hiatus, the first Model of 1928 Thompsons were rolling off Savage’s assembly line. The first contract for the new guns was from France, followed by several orders from Great Britain.</p>



<p>These early Savage Thompsons were very much like the Colt 1928 Navy model, featuring a finned barrel fitted with a Cutts compensator, as well as a finely checkered actuator knob, safety and rocker levers. The early Savage guns also featured a vertical foregrip. As per their contracts with A-O, Savage was not permitted to place their name on the Thompsons that they manufactured. The only way to identify a Savage manufactured 1928 or 1928A1 Thompson is by the S prefix on the serial number. All parts manufactured by Savage were also marked with a letter S. Parts manufactured by Savage’s sister plant, J. Stevens, were marked with a block style letter S. Savage and Stevens manufactured virtually every part for the gun except for various screws and springs. All WWII Savage guns were originally assembled at the factory with Savage (S) or Stevens (S) marked parts.<br><br>While the Colt Thompsons were blued, the Savage guns were finished by a process called Du-Lite which was a black oxide type III finish. When this finish was applied to a sandblasted surface it had a flat-black appearance. When applied to other surfaces that have not been sandblasted, it had a low luster blue appearance. The outside surfaces of the trigger frames and receivers were sandblasted on Savage Thompsons prior to the Du-Lite finish being applied, resulting in a flat black color. The inside of these components will appear a dull blue color as will the barrel and all other steel parts and components.<br><br><strong>The British Contract Savage Model of 1928</strong><br><br>The early 1928 Thompson guns manufactured for the British contracts were marked with a very small British inspector’s stamp placed on the receiver and/or the barrel. The guns were purchased directly from the Auto-Ordnance Corporation. The British contract guns were all fitted with the Lyman adjustable rear sight, and a vertical foregrip. The early one-piece flat-machined ejector was fitted to the early guns as well as the early style (2nd design) Cutts compensator. Thompsons fitted with a vertical foregrip came from the factory with only one sling swivel. This swivel was located on the bottom of the buttstock. British armorer’s often relocated the sling swivel to the top of the stock and added a swivel to the side of the foregrip. There were no U.S. or A1 markings on British contract guns. The British purchased 108,000 Thompsons and a large number of spare parts before the enactment of the U.S. Lend-Lease program. In the first contract the British paid $175.00 for each Thompson they purchased, the price was lowered in subsequent contracts. The very early Savage 1928 models shipped to the British had Auto-Ordnance’s New York, NY address roll marked on the left side of the receiver at the rear.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="217" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/001-21.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7837" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/001-21.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/001-21-300x93.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>The early 1928 Model Thompsons produced by Savage for the British contracts were fitted with a vertical foregrip, finned barrel and Lyman rear sight. (Collection of Lawrence Heiskell, MD)</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p><strong>The Savage Commercial Model of 1928</strong><br><br>During Savage’s production of the Thompson, the Auto-Ordnance Corporation sold some of the early 1928 model guns to law enforcement agencies. These Thompsons were exactly the same as the British guns described previously, except there were no British (or U.S.) military proofs or markings. It has been a common belief among many collectors, that the Savage “Commercial” guns were equipped with Colt “nickel” internal parts. A close study of these guns reveals that most of them were actually fitted with blued Savage internals. Most of these guns went to police departments where they saw rather limited use. When encountered, the police guns are generally in much better condition than the weapons that saw military service. Most of the “Commercial” model’s receivers were marked with Auto-Ordnance’s New York address. These guns did not have the cross-bolt added to the stock, as that was strictly a military upgrade.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="323" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/003-39.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7840" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/003-39.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/003-39-300x138.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>The Savage “Commercial” model had the same features as the early Thompsons made for the British contract, but had no British (or US) markings on them.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p><strong>The Savage Model of US 1928A1 (Early Production)</strong><br><br>The letter “U.S.” began to appear on the receivers of 1928 model Thompsons after the Lend-Lease Act was passed in 1941. A provision of the act required that all weapons supplied to the allies through the program be U.S. marked. The Thompsons furnished through Lend-Lease were the same as those issued to U.S. forces.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="335" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/002-41.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7839" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/002-41.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/002-41-300x144.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>The early Savage Thompsons had Auto-Ordnance’s New York address roll marked on the right rear side of the receiver.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>The first U.S. 1928A1 model Thompsons accepted by the United States Ordnance Department were equipped with a Lyman adjustable rear sight and finned barrel. Virtually all military contract Thompsons destined for U.S. service were equipped with horizontal foregrips, although a few of the earlier “Limited Procurement” weapons were equipped with vertical foregrips. All M1928A1 model Thompsons were fitted with the milled front grip mount. Although a few early military Thompsons had the one-piece machined ejectors, most of the U.S. contract guns were equipped with the new three-piece riveted style. The military wood stocks and foregrips on the weapons were of a slightly lesser quality than had been seen on Colt and early Savage “Commercial” guns. Most of the early manufacture U.S. military contract Thompsons had the checkered actuator, safety and rocker levers. Subsequent production saw the elimination of the checkering on the rocker pivot levers, and eventually the safety lever, but the uncheckered actuators did not appear until later in the production run. The milled sling swivels were fitted on these guns.<br><br>A few early Savage military contract Thompsons were fitted with the rare 3rd design muzzle compensator that had the Thompson “Bullet” logo stamped on top of the device, and was not marked with the Auto-Ordnance name. Later manufacture Savage M1928A1 Models used the common “military” (4th design) Cutts compensator that featured the “Bullet” logo on the left side and the Auto-Ordnance name roll marked on the top of the unit.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/004-34.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7841" width="580" height="208" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/004-34.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/004-34-300x108.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px" /><figcaption><strong><em>A few Savage made 1928 Thompson Submachine Guns had the phrase “TOMMY GUN” roll marked on the top of their receivers. “Tommy Gun” was one of many nicknames given to the weapon.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>Virtually all U.S. military contract M1928A1 models will have the Auto-Ordnance Bridgeport, Connecticut address roll marked on the right side of the receiver near the center. The patent numbers were marked on the right side at the rear of the receiver. Also stamped on the receivers of Savage Thompsons was the Army Inspector of Ordnance’s initials, as well as the Ordnance Department “flaming bomb” acceptance stamp. Savage guns also were marked with the initials GEG, of George E. Goll, Auto-Ordnance’s chief inspector.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="369" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/005-30.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7842" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/005-30.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/005-30-300x158.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>Receiver markings on a US 1928A1. Note the RLB stamp of Army Inspector of Ordnance Ray L. Bowlin, the GEG mark of Auto-Ordnance’s George E. Goll, and the Ordnance Department’s “flaming bomb”. The letter S preceding the serial number indicates that Savage Arms Co. manufactured this weapon.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p><strong>The U.S. 1928A1 (2nd Variation)</strong><br><br>The second variation of the M1928A1 Thompsons was fitted with the rudimentary fixed “L” type sight and finned barrel. The fixed “L” aperture style sight was first installed on the M1928A1s manufactured by Savage during contract number G-14 dated 24 February 1942. The contract was for 400,000 weapons. All subsequent M1928A1s were fitted with the “L” sight. The Ordnance Department felt that the M1928A1 Thompson needed a rugged military style sight with a large aperture for rapid target acquisition. Many of the aforementioned guns generally were equipped with the uncheckered safety and rocker levers, but will often have checkered actuators.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="331" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/006-21.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7844" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/006-21.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/006-21-300x142.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>Most of the military 1928 model Thompsons were marked with Auto-Ordnance’s Bridgeport address at the center of the receiver’s right side. The address change from New York to Bridgeport on the receivers occurred at the S-80,000 serial number range.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p><strong>The “L” Sight</strong><br><br>At an Ordnance Committee meeting held in December of 1941, it was suggested that a much simpler “L” type of sight replace the complicated Lyman adjustable rear sight on the Thompson. The new sight was better suited for a military application, and would help expedite production of the Thompson. The fixed “L” sight had a .125 inch aperture sighted for a 100-yard range, a second notch was cut into the top of the sight leaf for a 250-yard range. The new “L” aperture style sight was riveted to the receiver in the same manner as the early adjustable model. Lyman also manufactured many of the “L” type sights for Auto-Ordnance and were so marked. The same style of sight was used on early M1 models. The unprotected sight proved to be very easily damaged or bent and would often snag on brush and clothing. A later design provided side ears on the sight for protection of the vertical leaf. The “L” style sight began to appear on the Savage manufactured M1928A1’s at approximately the S-400,000 serial number range.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="281" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/007-19.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7843" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/007-19.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/007-19-300x120.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>The rudimentary “L” style rear sight replaced the earlier, complex Lyman adjustable model. The military felt that the weapon needed a simpler sight that could provide rapid target acquisition. The “L” sight was also used on early M1 Thompsons.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p><strong>The U.S. 1928 A1 (Late Production)</strong><br><br>The Auto-Ordnance Corporation and Savage had a difficult time keeping up with the ever-increasing demand for the Thompson. To increase production they had to either procure more machine tools and increase the work force, or simplify the parts where possible, for easier manufacture.<br><br>There were still a few amenities on the 1928 Thompson that could be eliminated in order to expedite the weapon’s production. After the complex Lyman rear sight, the next elaborate feature of the Thompson to be eliminated for the sake of production was the finned barrel. The U.S. Ordnance Department felt that the open bolt feature of the Thompson design provided enough cooling effect to prevent most premature “cook-off” of cartridges, and felt the barrel’s radial cooling fins were not needed. The smooth barrels began to appear on Savage M1928A1’s at approximately serial number S-500,000.<br><br>Late manufacture M1928A1 Thompsons were still equipped with the uncheckered, paddle style safety and rocker levers. The checkering feature was eliminated from the actuators on the late M1928A1 models. Many of the late guns were still fitted with milled style sling swivels.<br><br>Although most military 1928 Thompsons encountered today will have a reinforcing cross-bolt in the buttstock, the bolt was added after the gun left the factory. The purpose of the cross-bolt upgrade was to prevent the stocks from cracking. The cross-bolt upgrade campaign began after production of the 1928 model had ended.<br><br>The first Thompson M1928A1 models were sold to the U.S. government for “$225.00 minus 10%” which calculates to $202.50 per weapon. An additional $2.50 was added for greasing and packing costs. The price paid by the U.S. Government varied from contract to contract but steadily declined from 1941 until the end of production. The price paid by the U.S. Government for a M1928A1 had been reduced to only $70.00 when the new M1 model was introduced in July of 1942. A spare parts kit for the M1928A1 weapon was priced at $15.43.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="700" height="354" src="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/008-13.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-7845" srcset="https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/008-13.jpg 700w, https://smallarmsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/008-13-300x152.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" /><figcaption><strong><em>While the 1920’s Colt Thompson had patent dates marked on them the military 1928 Thompsons had patent numbers on them. The numbers were marked at the center of the receiver’s right side on New York address guns. The Bridgeport address guns had them marked on the rear of the receiver’s right side. The patent numbers were eliminated on the M1 and M1A1 model.</em></strong></figcaption></figure>



<p>The last 2,000 Savage U.S. M1928A1 Thompsons were manufactured in September of 1942. Thereafter Savage only manufactured the M1 and M1A1 models. Savage manufactured an estimated total of 746,932 model 1928 and M1928A1 Thompsons from April 1940, until October of 1942.<br><br>This article is condensed from the book The Military Thompson Submachine Gun, available from Moose Lake Publishing LLC. 207-683-2959 <a href="http://www.smallarmsreview.com">http://www.smallarmsreview.com</a></p>



<figure class="wp-block-table aligncenter is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td class="has-text-align-center" data-align="center"><em>This article first appeared in Small Arms Review V5N5 (February 2002)</em></td></tr></tbody></table></figure>
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